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Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

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Pipsquiggle · 11/11/2022 18:32

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

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Daftasabroom · 23/01/2024 10:35

@Winter2020 I think for the majority of leave voters it wasn't a vote for anything, it was a vote against the EU which had been demonized in the UK press and by the right of the Conservative party for decades. It was a vote against the status quo which many felt hadn't served them particularly well. It was a vote against migration and against Johny foreigner. It was also a mid term vote during a period of austerity - mid terms are notoriously negative.

For all intents and purposes it was a protest vote.

Nit picking over the latest poll just deflects from the serious debate we should have, and should have had all along, on whether we join either or both the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.

Alexandra2001 · 23/01/2024 10:36

MotherofPearl · 23/01/2024 10:34

@GlobeTrotter2000

I absolutely wish I could collar Starmer on this. For one thing, I blame Corbyn and therefore the LP at the time just about as much for Brexit as Farage, Johnson and the ERG.

And now under Starmer, I'd like to see Labour being much more courageous on this issue and pledge to start repairing our relationship with the EU, at least by rejoining the single market.

I don't, would be a gift horse for the Tories and make the next GE a Brexit Election, whereas it should be on their record over the last 14 years.

Closer coop with EU is possible under Starmer but rejoining SM/CU anytime soon isn't going to happening.

ChocolatSouris · 23/01/2024 12:12

From next week, all fruit, veg, meat and dairy arriving from the EU will have to undergo paperwork checks, which will hinder deliveries and drive up costs.

Looking forward to this Brexit benefit!

GlobeTrotter2000 · 23/01/2024 13:26

@Alexandra2001 Spending on NHS is now falling in real terms

I suggest you look at the ONS figures. Spending on the NHS has increased in real terms by 5.6% per year since 2019.

and you certainly cannot prove unemployment has fallen as a result of Brexit

As per the remain campaign, unemployment was meant to increase by 500,000 to 800,000. It never happened.

polling on whether or not Brexit was a mistake, is pretty clear, way past the margin of error

I suggest you read the YouGov link provided by JGW1. It acknowledges that sampling is not random and hence unreliable.

On Losers Consent, do you think following an election, the losing side should just shut up? have you examples of this actually happening?

General elections occur at least every five years. People can and have changed their mind several times in the last 40 years.

1979-1997 Conservative
1997-2010 Labour
2010 to date Conservative with a coalition with the LibDems from 2010 to 2015.

If people change their mind at a later date, that is okay, but results must be implemented in the order they occur. Remain supporters had the opportunity in the 2019 general election to cancel the 2016 referendum result, but they declined.

most leavers on the other hand, having screwed the country & their own kids, now stay quiet.

Your use of the wording "most leavers", suggests that you know more than half of those who voted leave in 2016, Approx. 8,700,000.

Even if you could speak to 2,500 people per week, it would take Approx 67 years to speak to them all. Likewise to speak to 8,700,000 since 23 June 2016, you would have to speak to Approx. 3,200 people per day which is Approx. 133 persons per hour continuously and no time off to; eat, drink, wash and sleep.

On that basis, I conclude that your statement is wishful thinking as opposed to fact.

Alexandra2001 · 23/01/2024 13:36

Yes it has, ALL due to covid measures and err med inflation is far higher than RPI/CPI
Any ideas why elective surgery waiting lists are super high here but not across the EU ?

Funny how you support polling when it backs up your argument, ridicule it when it doesn't.

GE s are rarely fought on a single issue and 2019 was no different (Corbyn scared both camps) but on your argument, why did we even have a vote? just put it in a parties manifesto.... oh yes UKip did, how many votes did they get?

The EU decision/vote was flawed as we have no real way of changing our minds.

Conclude all you like, you re wrong.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 23/01/2024 14:01

@Alexandra2001 Yes it has, ALL due to covid measures and err med inflation is far higher than RPI/CPI

If you read the ONS report. it states the COVID measures were partly a reason for increased expenditure.

Funny how you support polling when it backs up your argument, ridicule it when it doesn't.

The only polls that count are the votes cast in GE and referendum

oh yes UKip did, how many votes did they get?

Not relevant, as the Conservatives pledge was t odeliver Brexit.

Conclude all you like, you re wrong

So, you actually know 8,700,000+ people and have spoken to all of them? Maybe you have followed the poster JGW1 who claims to speak to 68 million every month.

GE s are rarely fought on a single issue and 2019 was no different

Jo Swinson, leader of the LibDems whose policy it was to revoke Article 50, lost her seat.

Labour's okey dokey policy of half in and half out of the EU produced their worst results in 85 years.

Conservatives pledged to deliver the 2016 referendum result and they won with a majority.

So, 2019 was all about Brexit

prettybird · 23/01/2024 14:24

Ummmm - Jo Swinson lost her seat back to the SNP - who are avowedly pro EU. Confused

So your argument doesn't wash Hmm

GlobeTrotter2000 · 23/01/2024 15:17

@prettybird Ummmm - Jo Swinson lost her seat back tothe SNP - who are avowedly pro EU.

Odd lot the SNP. They wanted to remaIn in the EU and gain independence from the UK at the same time. They seemed to forget that the caveat for a second independence referendum was there had to be a material change.

No Brexit = No material change

No material change = No independence referendum

No independence referendum = Scotland remains part of the UK

Do some cross cancellation and you end up with:

No Brexit = Scotland remains part of the UK

So your argument doesn't wash

It does as SNP did not win the 2019 GE either.

Seperate subject, but if you joined ICI as graduate trainee when JHJ was the Chairman, maybe we bumped into each other in 1986 as ICI sent their graduates to the East Warwickshire college in Rugby.

prettybird · 23/01/2024 16:12

I disagree with you on all counts, but really can't be bothered engaging with you (normally I skim past your posts but your post[s] about why Jo Swinson lost her seat were so outrageously wrong I couldn't overlook it again, especially as my dad made a point of telling her personally why he was no longer voting for her).

And no, we almost definitely never crossed paths. I joined in ICI before 1986 and never went anywhere near Rugby. I do remember going on ICI management courses in Warren House and at Cranfield, as well as an Outward Bound course in the Lake District.

SerendipityJane · 23/01/2024 16:19

prettybird · 23/01/2024 16:12

I disagree with you on all counts, but really can't be bothered engaging with you (normally I skim past your posts but your post[s] about why Jo Swinson lost her seat were so outrageously wrong I couldn't overlook it again, especially as my dad made a point of telling her personally why he was no longer voting for her).

And no, we almost definitely never crossed paths. I joined in ICI before 1986 and never went anywhere near Rugby. I do remember going on ICI management courses in Warren House and at Cranfield, as well as an Outward Bound course in the Lake District.

When I worked at British Gas, we had a few ICI offtakes on the main high pressure (75 bar) grid. Warrington and Hams Hall spring to mind. In those days there was an EC ban on burning gas to make electricity as it wasn't a great use of precious reserves. Luckily that was all sorted.

Peregrina · 23/01/2024 22:40

It does as SNP did not win the 2019 GE either.

Was it really worth posting such a stupid remark? Given the number of seats in Scotland, they never can win. Nor will they unless they find a way to put up candidates in England. Which I suppose they could if they wanted to.

They certainly won Scotland and just about wiped out the other three parties.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 24/01/2024 11:07

@Peregrina Nor will they unless they find a way to put up candidates in England. Which I suppose they could if they wanted to.

Maybe if Scotland recognized they are part of the UK, they would find a way to put up candidates? However, I think they may have to change their party name first.

Daftasabroom · 24/01/2024 16:47

So post Brexit trade benefits were predicated on there being no change of US President in 2020? And nobody could have foreseen that arguably the most controversial and destabilising president in US history was going to lose that election?

Badenoch blames Biden for missing post-Brexit trade targets - BBC News

Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch

Badenoch blames Biden for missing post-Brexit trade targets

The Business Secretary claims the UK failed to reach post-Brexit pledges when US leadership changed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68069994

Kendodd · 24/01/2024 18:12

I think I met the biggest brexit voting idiot I've ever met today (and I've met a lot). This bloke, thought we should be able to vote in the EU elections so we could have a say in what they decide, because they're so close to us that what they do affects us as well (his reasoning). This is while at the same time we were not in the EU so we didn't have to still with their rules ourselves.

I'm not often speechless, but I was speechless so he probably thought I agreed.

SerendipityJane · 24/01/2024 19:45

Kendodd · 24/01/2024 18:12

I think I met the biggest brexit voting idiot I've ever met today (and I've met a lot). This bloke, thought we should be able to vote in the EU elections so we could have a say in what they decide, because they're so close to us that what they do affects us as well (his reasoning). This is while at the same time we were not in the EU so we didn't have to still with their rules ourselves.

I'm not often speechless, but I was speechless so he probably thought I agreed.

Some may fail to realise that Viz' "Terry Fuckwit" was based on real people.

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 24/01/2024 19:49

I left Britain for Europe, got dual nationality, got a new job earning 40k more and met my European husband, all since Brexit. Yay for Brexit. It changed my life.

Kendodd · 24/01/2024 21:33

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 24/01/2024 19:49

I left Britain for Europe, got dual nationality, got a new job earning 40k more and met my European husband, all since Brexit. Yay for Brexit. It changed my life.

That sounds brilliant!
I fear one of my greatest regrets in life will be not leaving when we had the chance.

Pipsquiggle · 25/01/2024 07:06

@SilverBranchGoldenPears I am pleased for you. That's a lovely outcome. Was it easy becoming a dual-national?

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GlobeTrotter2000 · 25/01/2024 10:21

I could apply for an Irish passport apparently as Grandmother on my father's side was Irish. However, I have been advised it can take up to 30 months to process. So, I will not bother.

Peregrina · 25/01/2024 10:26

I could apply for an Irish passport apparently as Grandmother on my father's side was Irish. However, I have been advised it can take up to 30 months to process. So, I will not bother.

And it would be typical Brexiter hypocrisy for you to do so. Besides which, isn't your blue passport good enough?

SerendipityJane · 25/01/2024 12:54

Peregrina · 25/01/2024 10:26

I could apply for an Irish passport apparently as Grandmother on my father's side was Irish. However, I have been advised it can take up to 30 months to process. So, I will not bother.

And it would be typical Brexiter hypocrisy for you to do so. Besides which, isn't your blue passport good enough?

Has our mundane millennial identified as a Brexiteer ?

GlobeTrotter2000 · 25/01/2024 14:06

@Peregrina And it would be typical Brexiter hypocrisy for you to do so. Besides which, isn't your blue passport good enough?

My UK passport is black.

Peregrina · 25/01/2024 14:30

My UK passport is black.

It's not actually. They are a very dark blue. They are exactly the same shade as the old cardboard ones of half a century ago. I do know because my late husband kept his old ones, and I have compared my new one and his old one.

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Kendodd · 26/01/2024 21:31

Pipsquiggle · 26/01/2024 19:35

All worth it to give big companies the freedom to dump as much shit in the sea as we like!

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