Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

[Pipsquiggle]

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

My husband got a pay rise because he used his initiative.

He renewed his HGV Licence and is now quids in because of the shortage of HGV drivers.

The opportunities are there if people want to take them. 🙂

Good to hear of individual benefits, though HGV drivers life isn’t all roses. Didn’t they go on strike for better pay & conditions?

MarshaBradyo

Then posts like yours come next

Yup. Because as I see it, it's not on about a benefit for the few, but the country as a whole. As promised by all the chancers and liars who pushed it, saying how much better off we'd all be.

The country, as a whole, has suffered because of Brexit. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Average HGV driver pay has gone up 12%, so in line with inflation.

Friends with someone whose partner just quit lorry driving, very poor rest facilities, super high costs and yes pay has gone but only by doing far more hours and overnighters.

Of course the pp DH already had an HGV licence, so hardly "using his initiative"

@walkinginsunshinekat Of course the pp DH already had an HGV licence, so hardly "using his initiative"

That snide remark sounds like jealousy. ^

It's not a career move, just a short-term financial advantage.

There are plenty of jobs in transport for those that want them.

Just Two - Environmental protection & Science.

Now no over sight by EU ECJ, so water companies can discharge sewage into rivers and the seas, when its not heavy rain, and will only get a small fine or none at all - cheaper to pay the fine.

The Office of Env Protection is toothless, as is the EA, both bodies seem to be doing the same thing? more waste.

Water industry given 30 years to upgrade network, billions sent overseas to foreign owners.

.............

There are 3 hubs for science and tech, USA, Asia and the EU, the UK is now out of the multi billion Horizon scheme, top scientists are now not coming to the UK, international collaboration is vital.
Only have to look at how our previous vaccine preparedness has been run down to see the direction of travel.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-benefits-of-brexit

check this out

Jealous? are you serious????

He already had a licence & yes there are plenty of jobs in transport, most for about £13 ph, the year wage looks good but that because of a shed load of hours, its also dangerous too.

This is actually an interesting perspective, I know a few family members and friends who voted Brexit (we've even managed to stay friends despite differing view points!)

None thought that Brexit was going to bring in some sort of utopia. They all though the EU had strayed far from its original purpose and was out of control and unwieldy. One pointed out that if you had 20_+ kids you couldn't possibly make decisions that were right for all of them and some would suffer.

One had recently come back from Greece and seen the run on the banks and chaos there that came. They were of the opinion that although the EU was hanging on now in 20/30/50 years it would be dangerously out of control and liable to collapse. They thought this might be a once in a lifetime chance to leave a sinking ship even if it caused short term pain.

I can't really argue against it yet because who knows what will happen in that time frame

Yet here we are now with inflation in Greece, very similar to the UK's, with UK predicted to have a lower GDP growth.

In 2016 war in Ukraine was on no ones radar, leaving the EU based on what might happen in 10 let alone 30 years time is unwise.

Large powerful set ups can drive policy, its the EU that has curbed Russian maritime oil price, not the commonwealth or the G7, G7 has just copied.

I just see the EU as a trading bloc, which of course means standards and a level playing field.

Ask a 100 leave voters what specific EU affected them personally and 99 wont have a clue.

I think you need to reframe the question. I don’t think brexiteers thought brexit would be amazing, I think they worried about what remaining in the EU would mean.

Boris Johnson clearly took a gamble on this with his £350 million a week for the NHS. It's now abundantly clear that he was only saying this, and didn't personally believe it, so that he could have his turn at being PM.

Otherwise I remember easier trade deals with the rest of the world, cheaper food, to name but two promises. I don't doubt that some worried about remaining in the EU, but I doubt whether that was the majority.

There’s a whole report on top issues for Leave voters

First was immigration (and no not equating to racism) and can’t recall second

On googling to find it an article re Blair urging Starmer to be less cautious on issue.

Although he says at the end "I think we can afford as a Labour Party to move to the next stage, which is to say, 'There is a problem, here are practical ways of fixing it that don't disturb the overall Brexit settlement'.

So whether that means FOM or not is not clear.

But imo that’s the main issue and always has been. And not many politicians are keen to state it.

@PoseyFlump

I haven't been derogatory about anyone benefiting from Brexit.

I am pleased for them, however, my question has highlighted that it is literally pockets of people who have an upside

Thanks for sharing.

I will have a read, although it's already got my back up.

It mentions things as a 'Brexit Benefit' that we could have done when we were within the EU e.g.
Tighter control of labour / immigration e.g told people to leave if they hadn't got a job within x number of months
Blue passports

Just read a bit more - it doesn't actually state what these 'mission statements' will contribute to the country - from a GDP perspective - or if these will usurp what we had before.

The most tangible section is animal welfare so at least this is a positive. Someone stated this upthread.

Reading today's headlines I have come upon an unexpected Brexit benefit.

The abolishion of the House of Lords.
They said that Brexit meant taking back control and soverignty. That was always rather odd when that control was being passed from our elected representatives to a parliament where one half of the houses are by appointment not election.
Without Brexit the Tories may have managed to string together something approaching coherrent government, and that would mean that Labour would not be going to win the next election with a such a large majority that they can tackle the House of Lords.

Massive win for Brexit.

@Pipsquiggle my comment was in response to this one. I said you asked the question then others are screaming braggers if you read it again correctly.

I can't believe people are happy with extra passport stamps !!! I travel a lot personally and my passport is more than half full of stamps! And it's 2 years old! I'm going to have to either request extra pages - or buy a new one within another 2 years. Ballache
The whole Brexit is a ballache.

@jgw1
The abolishion of the House of Lords.

I presume you mean the 'abolition of the House of Lords' ?

😂😂

I wish Starmer luck with that one.🙄

Tony Blair tried and failed just trying to 'Reform' it, never mind abolish it. Mainly because Labour couldn't agree among themselves.

Here's the sorry tale - constitution-unit.com/2018/07/05/the-labour-partys-long-standing-lethargy-over-house-of-lords-reform/

Blair and those around him think they went too cautiously in the early part of their time in government. Perhaps Starmer has learnt from this.
And given the size of the mandate Starmer will have after the next election, if it is the manifesto...

The route to abolishing the house of lords is clear. With a mandate from an election, the government does it. If there is any funny business from the Lords then the government creates 1,000 peers to vote it through. King Charles will be required to oblige as his forbear was when Lloyd George threatened the same.

If Brexiteers grasp on economics is tenous, their history isn't much better.

Big shame. US style elections with different electoral cycles and grid lock doesn’t sound good at all.

If Starmer fancies being less cautious I believe Blair gave him a tip just the other day..

(Brexit)

HoLs has over 850 members in it, none of whom are elected, influencing laws and decision making in our democracy.

Don't really see how anyone can defend it, well Tories will.

There are different models to follow other than the US one.

The quality of debate