Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

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I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

tried to offer an insight into my views and I knew it was pointless but I tried, but now I have better things to do. Enjoy!

😂 I could follow what you was saying @FishBowlSwimmer but yeah, wasting your time.

Ha, ha ok. Blame me for your poor explanation. Why does that not surprise me? I literally quoted your own incorrect words back to you and you still claim to be right. You're obviously not interested in reality so I won't bother responding.

I was talking to @countrygirl99 🙄

These threads go one way so I appreciate a different POV, even though I didn’t vote for it I don’t want just the usual U.K. is the worst that comes up - many people did vote for it so it’s good to see their side too.

jgw posts tongue-in-cheek on Brexit threads....

You would do well to heed the thoughts of Margaret Thatcher.
“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

Apparently @PoseyFlump also posts satirically.

And what facts are you backing your opinion on then? Or is it just an opinion like mine. I don't know if it was the right decision or not, only time will tell, I don't believe it's as catastrophic as you seem to think it is though. Putting things right will mean changes, as a PP mentioned just like the environment we are going to have to do things differently, I'm afraid of change but things cannot go on as they have been

Although is perfectly correct with their immigration facts.

@FishBowlSwimmer Can we at least agree that other countries in Europe have more migrants from other EU countries and also more migrants from outside the EU than the UK does?
Surely you aren't going to argue those facts?

I listed 6 plus reasons, i asked Winter to respond but he she vanished.

But i'll give you 2 (of those 6+) ..... Loss of Horizon and the Dublin Convention.

Just listening to the list of diseases we have imported into the UK... its absolutely shocking.

I'm all in for change but Brexit wont get it.. in fact the opposite.
Evidence? look at how the Tory Govt have behaved in the 3 years since 2019.

Of course its not catastrophic ..but it will mean we slip even faster down the world order.

I don't object to the premise that other countries may have had more EU migrants, I can't confirm it as fact, that would mean googling and I'm too tired for that right now 😉. Would you accept that the effect of migration on the UK is different to other countries due to our population and size?

Immigration outside of the EU is a separate issue and is controlled (supposedly).

Would you accept that the effect of migration on the UK is different to other countries due to our population and size?

If by our population you mean the xenophobic nature of some of our population, then I am willing to entertain the idea that is indeed different from other countries.

I don't object to the premise that other countries may have had more EU migrants, I can't confirm it as fact, that would mean googling

@FishBowlSwimmer No need to google, the stats for 2017 are right here, just click on the link.

www.pewresearch.org/global/interactives/origins-destinations-of-european-union-migrants-within-the-eu/

You have a point but I'm not sure it's tied to Brexit other than a lot voted Tory last time only because they didn't want to backtrack on Brexit. They're a shit government and we need them out.

I too am worried about the state of the country, there's so much to fix, but again Brexit didn't cause it and could bring some benefits in the long run.

Bollocks.

Thanks for that, I'm not being lazy I had surgery yesterday and am feeling a bit bleurgh, maybe now isn't the right time for this, but before I go, I'll respond.

So according to that we were second highest below Germany with 2.9 ish million EU migrants living here, but that doesn't include seasonal workers, etc who don't reside here year round. Cheap labour results in low wages for all. Besides it's pretty exploitative, it's all exploitative I suppose? Working Tax Credits really didn't help in the long run although I don't know how my family would have survived without them at one point.

Late stage capitalism is fun isn't it, and it's collapsing, with or without Brexit tumultuous times were inevitable, I don't think Brexit is that important anymore in the big scheme of things. The rich hold all the money while we squabble over the pittance they haven't yet claimed for themselves. Vive la revolution. I'll come back tomorrow for another roasting, until then good night🥰

the xenophobic nature of some of our population

And there it is. Got there in the end, didn't you.

@FishBowlSwimmer I am glad that we are now in agreement that Germany was in 2017 more popular as a place to live and work for EU nationals than the UK.
Similarly there is quite a list of countries including Ireland that had a higher proportion of their population born in other EU countries than the UK. (3 times higher in 2017 in the case of Ireland).

Can we take the next step and also agree that it is a nonsense therefore to say that the UK is unique in being a popular destination for migrants form the EU?

No you didn't just go there?? You know fine well that I meant the size of our population in comparison to our land mass. That was a bit naughty of you. I'm definitely going if we're going to take cheap shots.

I like to think the best of people, so dearly hoped that there would be another explanation as to why the UK population was unique in finding the comparatively small number of migrants in the UK a problem, but since know other explanation as presented itself, I reluctantly came to the conclusion that for some reason there is greater casual xenophobia in the UK than other countries.

Where else have you lived?

Erm...in a word No! I never claimed it was THe MOST popular place for EU migrants just that it caused problems because we were popular.