Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

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I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

"Until Brexit there was no way to control it, literally the whole of the EU could move here legally and claim all the benefits that go along with living in the UK."

Well this is literally wrong for a start.

Another circle. As said previously, it was not enforced.

That was an UK failing.... but of course, we come back to no ID cards... easy access to both work and healthcare.

what have got now? still got the migrants but no means to return...

The UK is over crowded, I don't know the exact figures regarding EU citizens who were living here or the number claiming benefits. But I know that we cannot support so many people and we had no right to refuse anyone from an EU country, prior to Brexit, no right to refuse dangerous criminals, no right to refuse NHS treatment or benefits, even though many were claiming quite legally for children who didn't live in the UK. The system enforced by the EU was wide open to abuse in a country renown for its high wages (comparitively, especially to ex-communist countries) free health care, great benefits and housing system.

I think we were discussing movement of EU migrants within the EU, when the UK was a member of the EU, but I am not certain any more.

Some people seem to think that freedom of movement at that time meant that anyone in the EU could move anywhere else they liked in the EU. That being so, if Germany really isn't that popular, why did the 5.9million people living in Germany who were born in other EU countries not move to another more popular country?

What do you even mean by popular? Do you know?

No it's not 🤣

Because GDP has taken a hit of 4-5% as a direct result of Brexit, meaning we are all poorer?

The German people had as much right to live and work here as we had to live and work there. That was the whole point of FOM. I find it sad that you think you're qualified to preach to anyone about understanding this when you're clearly wrong and a quick Google will prove to you that you're making a fool out of yourself. I don't mean to be rude but there's no other way to say it.

@FishBowlSwimmer I guess you missed the post upthread where I shared the data on how many EU citizens were living in countries not of their birth in 2017. Perhaps take a look at the link?

www.pewresearch.org/global/interactives/origins-destinations-of-european-union-migrants-within-the-eu/

In summary 4% of the UK population in 2017 was from other EU countries, whereas in Ireland it was 12%. Germany 7%. Austria 8%.

To know that the UK benefits system is great, I am sure you are expert in the systems in other countries such as France, but in case there is someone who is reading this thread who is unaware of the generosity of the French benefit system here is a link.

ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1110&langId=en

So a benefit of Brexit is we no longer have a rule to enforcement that most people would have considered beneficial. Whereaswecould have stayed in the UK and decided to enforce it like yhe majority of other EU countries do? I think that's really stretching thr definition of a benefit. Most people would expect some tangible value from a benefit.

Staying in another EU state for over 90 days

If you want to remain in an EU, EEA state or Switzerland for more than 90 days, you may be asked to show that you are:
In employment
Self-employed
A full time student with health insurance and money to support yourself
You have money to support yourself and health insurance (for you and your family) without state assistance

Not EU fault, as pointed out earlier, we chose not to enforce it.... no ID cards, not enough Police... how could it?

What am I wrong about?

I am well aware that the 100,000 UK born citizens who lived in Germany in 2017 had the same rights as the 320,000 German born citizens who lived in the UK in 2017.

I am also well aware that everyone born in Germany still has the right to live and work in other EU countries, but those born in the UK no longer have that right.

As far as I understand the new definition of the word popular, that makes Germany more popular than the UK.

Its possible like the meaning of popular, the meaning of benefit has been changed.

No you are wrong, Schrodinger's immigrant could come here anytime they wanted for as long as they wanted to take our jobs and live on benefits.

So now you're talking about people moving to work? You made no mention of work in your previous post. You just said that the whole of the EU could move to the UK and claim benefits. If you're going to lecture other people on FOM I would suggest you think a little more carefully about what you're trying to say.

And as I have said repeatedly that the UK is vastly over populated, compared to those other countries and the figures you quoted were all about asylum seekers which is nothing to do with Brexit and has no bearing on it whatsoever.

I tried to offer an insight into my views and I knew it was pointless but I tried, but now I have better things to do. Enjoy!

In work benefits exist you know...and the word benefit can mean more than just monetarily, healthcare, social care, free child care, etc , are all benefits. Just because you assumed I was talking about UC, doesn't make me wrong, just means you read into my posts what you wanted to.

But you didn't mention working at all....we were just meant to guess that! 🙄

To say nothing about tens of thousands of asylum seekers from the British Commonwealth. English is their second language , of course they might find the UK or Ireland more attractive than Italy or Germany.

But we're not complaining. The ports of Dublin Rosslare and Cork are booming with direct sailings to Cherbourg , Roscoff , Calais , Rotterdam.

@FishBowlSwimmer then we must feel greatly for Belgium which has both a higher population density than the UK and a higher proportion of their populationt that was born in other EU countries.

If you click on the link in the post of mine that you quote, you will see that the figures are not to do with asylum seekers.

I must say I do agree though that it is pointless posting a view that is not backed up by any evidence, or as in this case is contradicted by easily available evidence.

@countrygirl99 I was being satirical. Within the context of the other posts surrounding that post.

Yeah course I didn't mention working at all, okay then. Except I spent a lot of time talking about wage stagnation in relation to EU migration, how would EU migration affect wages here if they weren't working here. I just figured you were smart enough to make the connection, my mistake.

The UK is over crowded due to a complete lack of investment... so much here is soooo fucking old, when did we last build a new M Way, a new normal railway.. that we can all use.. even electrification was put on hold.

Crowed roads, no or hyper expensive public transport, lack of skills and automation.. as for Schools and Health? a main hospital being held up by 3000 wooden supports... costing millions to do...

We ve had 10s of '000s of new houses built in my part of Cornwall and West Devon, not a single new road, school, health centre.. Tavistock was promised a new rail line but the developers got out of that... . nothing else... then people say we are "over crowded"

Your views aren't backed up by anything, just vague promises of Jam Tomorrow...& no facts, which i ve learned Leavers are averse too :)

None. The UK is like a sinking ship as a result of Brexit. It was an act of extreme arrogance to think that a tiny nation like the UK would be better off going it alone. We are certainly planning to leave once the dcs have finished school and many others we know (who have the right to work in the EU) are planning to do the same.

@PoseyFlump I must apologise for not realising you were being satirical when you changed the meaning of popular.

Good work, keep it up.