Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

That was really good, thank you.

...blame it all on the Tories because when we had the chance to get rid of them at the 2019 General election they got elected again and crushed the Labour party convincingly how did that happen ?, OH yes we live in a democracy and the people of this country voted for them. So maybe its not so much Brexit that rankles you its the people of this country who just so happen to have a different opinion and they seem to be in the majority.
And yes you will say they are all wrong and you are all right.

Of course they're wrong.

And if by "this country" you mean England and Wales, you're quite correct that a majority was achieved in both the Referendum and the GE.

Look a little closer and you'll see that a significant majority in Scotland and NI voted No in the Referendum, and did not return any Tories to Westminster.

Conflation of England with The UK is a sad but predictable mistake on the part of many occasional visitors to these threads.

How did that happen, you ask?
They believed lies.

iea.org.uk/trustees/#hfaq-post-38087
The trustees of the IEA are listed here.
I'll dig through this when I have a few minutes.

But here's one for starters:
Robert Boyd

The vision of the Atlas Network, which is headed by Robert Boyd, one of the trustees of the IEA:

Our Vision
The Atlas Network vision is of a free, prosperous, and peaceful world where the principles of individual liberty, property rights, limited government, and free markets are secured by the rule of law.

Our Approach
Atlas Network cultivates a network of partners that share this vision. To accelerate the pace of achievement by our partners in their local communities, Atlas Network’s unique Coach, Compete, Celebrate!™ strategic model inspires our partners to improve performance and achieve extraordinary outcomes.
www.atlasnetwork.org/our-mission

Another Trustee:
Linda Edwards
Linda is a US citizen and UK citizen who attended law school in Texas before practising mergers and acquisitions law at Latham & Watkins in Los Angeles. She retired from law on moving to London, and has since lived around the world, from Hong Kong to Dubai, involving herself in organisations spreading Classical Liberal ideas. Linda has had a long relationship with the Cato Institute, also supporting the Reason Foundation, the Atlas Network and the Instituto Bruno Leoni.

And our old friend Patrick Minford...
Professor Patrick Minford
Patrick Minford CBE has been Professor of Economics, Cardiff Business School, Cardiff University since October 1997. Between 1967 and 1976 he held economic positions in the Ministry of Finance, Malawi; Courtaulds Limited; H M Treasury; H M Treasury’s Delegation to Washington, DC; Manchester University; and The National Institute for Economic and Social Research. From 1976-1997, Patrick Minford was professor of economics at Liverpool University. He was a member of Monopolies and Mergers Commission 1990-96 and one of the HM Treasury’s Panel of Forecasters (‘Six Wise Men’) 1993-1996. He is author of many books and articles on exchange rates, unemployment, housing and macroeconomics.
iea.org.uk/trustees/#hfaq-post-38087

There are a few others.

We are looking at a bunch of libertarians here. They are promoting gloves-off, bare-knuckle capitalism here, a bonfire of workers' rights, regulations, and the survival of the fittest.

I get the feeling that in another decade these people would all have been staunch supporters of eugenics.

I get the feeling that in another decade these people would all have been staunch supporters of eugenics.

I don't think they'd wait a decade. They are paid up believers now.

the Cato Institute

Which leads us to the Koch brothers and influx of a particularly American brand of libertarianism, my god. That’s going so well for America. No wonder we’re in so much trouble…

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/23/koch-brothers-agenda-key-donations-promotions

www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/politics/david-koch-charles-koch-brothers/index.html

www.cbc.ca/news/business/david-koch-brothers-political-influence-1.5258077

Seen elsewhere on the Internet: "At this stage there will be self-respecting dumpster fires that are protesting about being likened to the Truss government."

Hunt replaces Kwarteng as Chancellor

Things are at a pretty pass when I felt a slight relief when I heard this.
Dear Lord.

Presser at 2.30.

I had that sense of relief too. Not a nutter.

I mean, that was what I thought, not that I’m not a nutter. Though I’m not.

Enjoy
www.thepoke.co.uk/2022/10/14/kwasi-kwarteng-has-been-sacked-by-liz-truss-27-tweets/

Energy price guarantee
Growth

Bingo!

So u-turn confirmed, she is keeping Sunak’s corp rate tax rise in April to 25p

Argh wromg thread, not that it really matters

MN keeps messing with threads I am on and notifications

Too early to gloat, but this is what Tory party members were warned would happen if they insisted on pushing Brexit. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.

Didn't Hunt vote Remain? Won't that upset the ERG?

What we are seeing is the price of kowtowing to the ERG for a decade. Pretty soon not many people will care about upsetting them.

There's a weird parallel in the US where all the candidates that Trump has shoehorned onto the ballots look likely do do worse as a result. Highlighting the disconnect between the small clique of party members and the public as a whole.

Probably not. At some point, like Liz, Hunt decided his interests were best served by becoming a Leaver.
Not well received by his predominantly Remain constituents, but I suppose he thought he could square them.

Speaking of his constituents, I was reading through the largely negative reaction on one of the local FB boards when the thread was abruptly deleted by the Conservative moderators.
They must think he's back in with a chance for the main job.

Hunt's majority was relatively slender, so he could well get the push by the electorate at the next election.

I’ve got a bet with my firmly Tory voting aunt that Truss will be gone by Christmas. She seemed shocked at the very idea. I’m thinking that all of this is helping me to think I’m well on my way to winning that bet.

Truss is definitely fighting for her political career. Hunt had to come today as we in that BoE wasn’t intervening after today and Truss needs to calm the market. Still some hiccups I think? But god, who would’ve thought Hunt would become the reasonable face of the Tory party??

I’ve got a bet with my firmly Tory voting aunt that Truss will be gone by Christmas

I would be amazed if she makes it to the opening of parliament.

The destruction of the Tory party. Wasn't widely advertised as a Brexit benefit. But I'll take it.

Yep

The utter self destruct of the Tory party would be the first Brexit benefit I've seen.

Front pages are interesting

Even the torygraph and daily heil are negative towards Truss