to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

@Parky04 genuinely, what does 'moving on' look like to you?

I didn't vote in the referendum but from everything I've gathered about remainers is that their anger stems from having their travel conditions changed, and it's ironic since so many of them are climate activists too.

I most certainly did vote and have been on virtually all the Remain marches. My own observations are that a number of Brexiters are also climate change deniers and thought Trump and Johnson were decent men and not the lying charlatans they have shown to be.

For Brexit apologists like yourself who think it's all about travel, don't forget that the rules have stopped people like engineers going to EU countries to service machinery or sell goods. It's not affected the Brexiters fortnight in Spain or Greece going to the beach and getting plastered.

'moving on' look like to you?

For Rees-Mogg - transferring his businesses to Ireland. For countless other Brexiters - applying for an Irish/French/German etc. passport, i.e. whatever EU passport they are entitled to, as soon as they could.

Oh FFS. Import checks on food coming in from Europe have been delayed again because it would take too long and the food would probably go off and the Prime Minature thinks it would fuel inflation. The EU have been checking our exports since 2021.
Given that 40% of our food comes from the EU this is quite an important detail.
It seems to me that none of the idiots in charge have got a clue what they're doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/03/uk-brexit-checks-fresh-food-eu-delayed-fifth-time-reports

Some friends of mine, who sell most of their music in Europe, have given up sending stuff out of the UK because the customs charges are so high that no one would but it.
They're lucky that they've got contacts in Germany who can do it, but it costs a lot of extra money and a lot of businesses won't have that option and will just fold.

Yes @Parky04, I really want to know this too.

Import checks on food coming in from Europe have been delayed again because it would take too long and the food would probably go off and the Prime Minister thinks it would fuel inflation.

Remember the "WTO" trading arrangement the Brexiteers were quite happy to have for a no deal Brexit ?

The UK is currently breaking WTO rules by not enforcing checks on EU goods while enforcing them on RoW goods. China and the US being the most affected. Their silence suggests they are waiting to use the fact as leverage.

"Wank-crippled claw" 😂

I was in France last week at a friend's house. Took the opportunity to buy some stuff from an EU website for £100, cos the same stuff on the UK version was £150
I think that shows what brexit has done to costs for goods coming to the UK.
You can't even access the EU site from the UK and pay the extra costs yourself

All pain, no gain

You are joking aren't you? Perhaps you should have read a bit more and then, you know, actually voted.

My 'travel conditions' whatever that means, haven't changed at all, my devastation comes from the UK being so diminished in the eyes of the rest of the world. Being left behind so totally, economically and politically.

I honestly loathe Brexiteers with an absolute passion and wish we could cut the country in half and shove the lot of them out there on their pathetic Little Britain.

What a lot of time and effort the government has gone to to take us out of a trading block, a block that includes almost all our nearest neighbours. They took us as far from it as they possibly could. Meanwhile, the disastrous effects of climate change are getting worse and more frequent. What a waste of government time.

The UK would have been better prepared for Covid as well if resources hadn't been diverted to working on a 'no-deal Brexit', Operation Yellowhammer

While we're on the subject of travel though....yes, queueing for two hours to get through passport control takes some of the fun out of a weekend away. And they haven't introduced fingerprints yet...
We're taking my MIL to Bruges in October (we're driving, is that OK with the climate police?). I shudder to think how much time the border will take us.

@Shedknowitwasmr absolutely- my main fury isn't at travel but the fact it's made running many businesses an absolute pain in the arse and relatively unviable- and if you have spent years building said business based on being in the EU it's not as easy as 'just trade elsewhere' - we all were trading 'elsewhere' whilst still in the EU- it wasn't that you couldn't- it just means that we have now killed so many businesses major trading areas due to red tape and major price hikes due to logistics/vat/ customs reasons

£150bn cost same price as covid, apparently. So each of the 17million votes cost £8823.52 per vote in money lost to the UK economy. When do I get my refund from them ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/opinion/brexit-disaster.html

According to the U.K.’s Office for Budget Responsibility, leaving the E.U. has shaved 4 percent off Britain’s gross domestic product. The damage to Britain’s economy, the O.B.R.’s chairman has said, is of the same “magnitude” as that from the Covid pandemic.

An artist friend who has a cottage industry in silk prints and cards saw her annual income halved from £8k a year to less than 4. Sells nothing to Europe now and her sales were increasing at the time. Imagine you woke up one day and some yobs had vandalised your town, torched the shopping centre, broken into cars, poured weedkiller on the town parks, smashed bush shelters and stolen money off you whilst breaking your glasses and teeth - how would you feel ?

You don't need to imagine.

Imagine you woke up one day and some yobs had vandalised your town, torched the shopping centre, broken into cars, poured weedkiller on the town parks, smashed bush shelters and stolen money off you whilst breaking your glasses and teeth - how would you feel ?

That insurance is a very good idea ?

😂

My fear is because Brexit has failed, the Brexit leaders are now making Human Rights their next thing. Leave voters know they’re human right? Right?!

Oh God, please tell me that's not going to referendum.

Same here. YANBU.

Before Brexit, I thought most people just needed more information, maybe in a more digestible form. I fucking killed myself learning all the ins & outs of the EU, customs & transportation, agri-economics, grant schemes, environmental schemes, all kinds of stuff. I made hundreds of posts in normal language. All I got back was quotes from the Leave-related websites (which cited each other as references), insults, and unfriended by people I've known for ever in real life.

Same happened with genderism & women's rights, then Covid. I hardly bother any more.

My sister used to teach young adults how to find and evaluate information. They had no clue. It should really be a priority in secondary education, imo.

@Kidsaretryingtodestroyme it may be something the Tories try to put in a manifesto in 2024, but even if somehow they gain a majority it will not happen in the end.

It's TikTok now innit. I had a look the other day to try and understand it, and it is utter pernicious madness destroying the minds of generation for the net sum of eff all. If as a society we said we would ban it we would have lost absolutely nothing and gained a lot and it's a Chinese app ffs where they don't allow the madness on it in China.

And then I saw this ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EKR7LHSWHzE

I am just as furious, don't worry.