to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

None of us in the UK need to imagine that.

Firstly the remainers in government tried to push through a brexit deal that was nothing like brexit (May and Hammond) then they tried to overthrow it altogether by changing and amending laws and were so dishonest or have you forgotten all of this ? Bercow, the Supreme Court etc etc.

It is a miracle we managed it at all, and only secured it with a landslide victory with Boris.

The biggest differences for me are my blood is no longer boiling with rage with Germany as they order the whole of Europe around like minions.

I no longer feel fear we will be forced into an a European army by Macron.
I no longer stare at the incredulous and bloated accounts of the EU technocrats and Ursela’s private jet account and feel fury for the poor people in this country bank rolling them all. As another stupid law is passed to us in the judiciary and wonder who on earth made this one and how it is that we have thousands and thousands of laws just like it impacting British lives.
I feel reassured we are not paying benefits to people that do not deserve them, and child credits to mothers living in Poland and Romania.

I am relieved that with the reduction of workers, our own workers will be paid properly and not been managed down or out ( and this is definitely beginning to trickle through, employers are having to work much harder as it should be)
I am hopeful a points based system similar to Aus and NZ will ensure we have the brightest and best here, not a free for all.

If I worked in mental health I would be making notes about some posters on heres grasp of reality. They really are just a tweet away from some sort of rapture.

I imagine the pauses in between postings correlate to some sort of refractory period ....

@Festoonlights yet more rhetoric without fact.

You know we had the power of veto don't you? If they had put forward the plan of a 'European Army' (which I understand your valid concerns) - we could've just said 'No'

Everything else you said is just bluster and bollocks. You claim that Ursula is squandering millions yet fail to acknowledge people that have made millions through this chaos e.g. Jacob Rees-Mogg et al and their funds in Ireland. James Dyson, being the only credible leave businessman, moving his head office to Singapore which had just signed a trade deal with the EU. At least the EU have to be transparent with their accounts

Please wake up soon. Literally everything you have written is just spoon-fed BS.

Still waiting to hear of that 1 tangible benefit that you have felt from Brexit

@Festoonlights genuinely, please could you tell me exactly what you were voting for when you voted Leave.

One of the many reasons I voted for remain was because the Leave campaign was vague, full of soundbites with no data and no clear strategy.

What were you voting for and do you think the Leave plan was absolutely crystal clear when we voted in 2016?

Everything else you said is just bluster and bollocks

It really is. And I’m getting fear, fear of everything, and a need to look to outsiders for the blame, never actually noticing what’s going on right now, under our own noses by this current inept, corrupt govt.

I do wonder how the vote would have gone if the Leave campaign had been absolutely transparent with what would happen when we left, would we have got the same result?

Working in retail, I absolutely knew logistics would be buggered and food costs increase. I knew the farmers /fishing export business would be fucked.

I knew the NHS would be at risk.

This week, Kansas has had a very clear referendum - keep legal access to abortions or make it illegal.
A Conservative, republican state Kansas very clearly voted to keep legal access to abortions (thank goodness).

I do wonder if we had something as clear & stark as the Kansas referendum would we have left.

The absolute truth was when you voted Leave you didn't know what you were voting for in practical terms - just buzz words and bullshit. When people voted to Remain we knew precisely what we were voting for

You can be as angry as you like, but it won't change anything.

Yeah, no one actually needs your permission.

It's aibu. Am I being unreasonable to still be angry about Brexit? To which WaitingForWinter1's answer makes perfect sense.

There must be loads of Brexit voters out there. I think they don’t answer the why because people are so angry and say they have mh issues or whatever as in pp

I think many would want a point system as mentioned below. It can be used well to country’s benefit and I’m not sure what’s happening with it

Imagine if someone had said that to Sylvia Pankhurst ?

I see the deputy PM of Ireland has said that the hard won great relationship between Britain and Ireland is breaking down fast. The UK Government do not give a shit who they tread on in their sprint to get rid of the NI Protocol. You know, the International Agreement that was actually agreed and signed by Britain, but now they can't wait to get rid of it. That will impact Ireland a lot and is unnecessary

You see, trade and the NI economy is doing very well under the Protocol compared to England, Wales and Scotland. Can't be having that now can we?, so bring the best performer down to the lowest common denominator.

No one should deny a country's right to self determination, laws, border control etc. but Britain had all that, just didn't do anything about overstayers, or insist on EU nationals proving that they could self support within three months. Oh no. But now, ah well... let's import anyone and everyone from non EU countries it's not a problem. Except I don't think that is what the Leave voters understood would happen.

What people do NOT like is exceptionalism, arrogance and hubris. The constant blaming of the EU instead of bigging up the UK is a demonstration of the above.

It's a pity the UK left. But there is a price to be paid for everything. One thing I do know is the UK needs the EU more than the other way around. Hubris and arrogance... see?

I no longer stare at the incredulous and bloated accounts of the EU technocrats and Ursela’s private jet account and feel fury for the poor people in this country bank rolling them all.

@Festoonlights

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Brexit has already cost us more than the entire net amount we ever paid into the EU?

Are you one of those cut-your-nose-off to-spite-your-face people who doesn't care how much it's cost and how much it's fucked up the country, as long you feel like you've got one over on someone you don't know?

@MarshaBradyo a big part of that problem is we don't have that many high points scoring people desparate to come here in areas we have shortages. Apart from some medical roles, we don't have that many shortages in high paying, high scoring areas .

The problems in the UK (apart from some medical) are mainly in lower paying sectors and I'm not sure people prepared to do these jobs and come to Uk will score high enough -

I’d be interested to know what kind of jobs they are doing - is it filling gaps?

Not sure where info would be will Google

You think folk who are wanted throughout the world want to come to UK (in sufficient numbers) over say Canada Aus NZ ? or many places in Europe with far lower housing costs?

The NHS in particular has a rep for stress and burnout, sure we'll get dev countries citizens to work here but not developed countries AHPs, they ve better choices.

The UK has super expensive visa and health insurance requirements too and no points systems to avoid these... another Bojo broken promise.

Whether you like it or not and i suspect you wont agree, Brexit has made the UK seem a smaller more insular country, hopefully that will change.

My DD has seen so many EU workers leave, its shocking how it's not being reported.

...didn't the nurse who treated BJ leave & go back to NZ because of the shite in the NHS.
Actually i don't need to ask that question because its well know she did.

Brexit has fcuked the NHS.

Again, as the same poster seems hung up on this every time, I voted remain not for Brexit

But as we have it and it won’t change we may as well use systems which benefit us in terms of people needed.

And yes ime is every bit as attractive as US or Aus, the two other places I have lived. Visas were open to Aussies (although I was born here) and loads of us took advantage of the opportunity.

Try looking at the numbers of UK professionals leaving and staying in, Aus NZ and vice versa.

You keep telling us you voted for Remain and for Labour, its like a stuck record.

In £ terms a UK nurse will earn 2x what he/she earns in uk, how exactly is that equally attractive?

Even if cost of living is higher.

My BiL lives in Aus and my DD is Australian by descent.

Well stop quoting me then for the love of god. Yes I did vote for remain but I do want better solutions. So what?

But if you are sick of hearing just quit - its every thread. There are other posters engage with them instead.

@MarshaBradyo The US and Australia are a different ballgame. Highly skilled professionals navigate to US because in certain sectors the earnings can be huge and apart from places like San Francisco housing is often less than the nicer parts of the UK - the USA is it's own'EU' masses of varied scenery and once you are in you can go anywhere else in USA easily . It isn't going to be like that for anyone coming here , if they come here then it doesn't give them a right to go anywhere to work ---apart from UK. Australia attracts people looking for both good earnings and an outdoorsy sunny lifestyle- normally the UK can't really offer that for much of the year.
Australians certainly haven't been rushing here in recent years- even to London.

I appreciate you like it , but many others not from UK see it as poor value, expensive and poorly paid - which is why it appealed to younger EU workers doing the odd couple of years or older skilled EU workers doing short contracts in things like engineering projects, technology. I know a lot of Germans-,they wouldn't rush here - same when we were living in Copenhagen- the Danes thought UK was fun for a break but piss poor standards in housing, health, transport etc.

For a remain voter initially, you seem very against FOM- why is this ?? I'm against it hugely for non EU unless a skilled shortage occupation (and that includes Americans and Australians as we can't just rock up there) but not for EU as I can see it was keeping businesses ticking over and it worked both ways.

Err you replied to me on this latest..... with another one of your little digs, which you do to other posters too, as per up the thread.

Tell you what, i'll ignore you from now on, you contribute very little in anycase, just a stream of pro brexit pro Tory rhetoric.