to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

You’ve made a very big assumption there re FOM

I’d say you misinterpreted my posts below when I asked about it directly. It’s not that I wanted to end it but my take is that it was a high priority for Brexit voters so a soft Brexit would not deliver it. Since there are very few people who did vote for Brexit on mn I’ll guess I won’t find out if it mattered to them as I assume.

Outdoors and sunny is nice but really it’s not everything. If you work in a creative sector, or finance then London is a great choice. Probably other sectors but these are the two my friends and I are in. Big cities are brilliant for certain things and for Aussies U.K. offered visas whereas NYC would be harder to get to. Sunny and Laos back is nice but so is the energy and opportunity of bigger sectors. Yes it was a while ago that I arrived but there’s been no shortage of cultural diversity in the places I’ve worked.

I’m sure I’m not the sole person keen to move to U.K., the pp said non EU was up. So they’re keen at least:

Now we don’t have FOM look to other countries and use point systems or visas, and people will move here. We’re not rejoining so may as well use it to our benefit.

I do know visas to top university graduates was a scheme mentioned - great, post grad from anywhere round the world. It can either close down or open up, I’m keen for the latter.

Thank god for that. Please do

no more quotes then

will save time replying endlessly and receiving mindless insults as you just have.

the remainers in government tried to push through a brexit deal that was nothing like brexit (May and Hammond

How is that even possible when nobody knew what Brexit actually meant? What you mean is it was a deal you didn’t like @Festoonlights.

The cry of the so-called "Brexiteers" now including Farage is it was the wrong kind of Brexit thwarted by those dratted remainers. If only we had had the Pure Brexit all would be good. But the minister for the 18th Century Jacob Rees-Mogg did say it might take 50 years for the benefits to come through so don't say you weren't warned. But you leavers knew that didn't you but you did it anyway? We remainers knew exactly what we were voting for.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566

Here's Brexit Central's politburo the European Research Group.

The thing is there are an awful lot of assumptions on here and going by the people I know who voted leave. -- it's wrong to presume the vast amount of voters were racist and undereducated- very many were but a great many others were just utterly misled about nothing changing and believed the leave campaign . Now there are people on this post who would be totally happy that it's virtually 'no deal' but they are wrong to presume most leave voters were thinking along the same lines- why do you think they didn't want a second referendum once terms were known - because they would have lost . Here's a range of people I know who voted leave

Father in law (82) basically totally out of touch with how things work- believed the bumph that nothing would change and the extra money for NHS- not remotely racist, doesn't give a toss about freedom of movement for EU- would be perfectly happy with EFTA and wouldn't vote leave again

Father in laws brother (85) totally out of touch , lives in a grotty flat in a horrible place but posh , only ever left UK twice for a holiday and yet thinks he's Jacob Rees Mogg. Very hang 'em, flog em and would like nothing more than no trade at all apart from commonwealth. Absolute berk!!! Extremely racist

Posh banker friend - saw advantages to do with off shoring and mates were betting on UK currency crashing - they made big gains-now realises it's a pile of pup and wouldn't vote for it again- not racist

Normal male friend- fun, labour voter- couldn't stand Cameron and thought it was worth voting leave to just 'go against the gvt'. Never thought they would act in it - not racist

Company owner friend- American background- Tory- believed the bumph about still remaining part of single market/customs union and saw some advantages. Not racist- feels totally mislead - wouldn't vote for it again

Without assuming and actually googling immigration was a top concern

I don’t use the term racist as interchangeable with immigration so I agree it’s not always racism. Although immigration was a top priority.

whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/NatCen_Brexplanations-report-FINAL-WEB2.pdf

Figure 6 shows the relative importance of
the issues at stake when people were asked directly about what influenced their vote. It is clear from this that there were three stand-out issues: the economy (21%), immigration (20%) and sovereignty (17%)

The relationship between these issues and people’s vote is very strong, as was clear from analysis in the run-up to the Referendum.g According to the British Election Study, the vast majority who said immigration (88%) or sovereignty (90%) was the most important issue voted Leave, compared to a small minority (15%) who said it was the economy.

Once Brexit won it became harder to ignore that priority

compared to a small minority (15%) who said it was the economy.

The margin for leave was <4 %.

I wonder how that small minority of 15% would have voted on the day if they had realised that the likes of a EEA/Norway option was almost certainly never going to be on the table for reasons various.

Wouldn't it have been more sensible though @MarshaBradyo to say 'we can see a lot of people are concerned about immigration' so we will be bringing in all the rules that were always open to us , but were never used.

Whilst we were living in Denmark there were significant controls in place whether EU citizen or not and it would have been impossible to get health care if not 'registered within the system after 6 months -EU or not, same went for benefits of any kind. It would also have been fairly impossible to have any 'under the radar job'

Racism got it over the line I feel confident to say not by a long chalk are all leavers racist but its no stretch of the imagination that all racists were leavers. Just watch the videos of Tommy Robinson and his ilk after the vote and 20s of thousands on the streets fighting and cursing and compare that to the civilised demos of the remainers. Just the fact of those that were promoting it Farage fellow travellers and Johnson and the ERG White flapping coats nutjobs was enough regardless of the facts I don't want to be on the same side as them Larry Elliot economics editor of the Guardian was a Lexit supporter (left wing version of taking back control) but they were a small minority of views on the left and drowned out by the Ingerlund mob.

@vera99 - all racists were leavers.

Again. All apart from those that bites remain to keep non-EU immigration down. And those that didn’t vote at all.

I’m not sure if this would have sufficed after Brexit but I have heard the view that this type of thing would have helped ameliorate some of the concerns if done before hand, and then maybe a different outcome.

Wouldn't it have been more sensible though MarshaBradyo to say 'we can see a lot of people are concerned about immigration' so we will be bringing in all the rules that were always open to us , but were never used

Isn't the reason we struggle with any sort of immigration control because we have no ID card system?

Anyone can be who they want to be.

@AndreaC74 indeed- we had to carry around our card when in Denmark - I can't see what the issue is at all.

Me too

Still angry. I don't talk about it much irl but if it goes tits up in N Ireland, I will blame every single idiot who voted Leave.

I'm sad about the long term damage and weakening of various key partnerships as a result of a poorly thought-through ideological project.
I can see my eldest looking at doing his PhD in a STEM subject outside of the UK because it's unclear what resources will be available. Similarly I can see my industry visibly weakened by brexit and so I may have to be flexible in future. None of us want to move away but this country is starting to leak opportunities like an old pipe... and it's depressing.

I sometimes hear people talking about regretful leave voters they know, well I don't any. All the leave voters I know would absolutely 100% vote leave again, their hatred of the EU has grown if anything. They can now see all the damage done as well, I don't know what exactly they think they've won.

I'm angry that people keep talking about how marvellous Brexit Mick is.

He and the rest of the pillocks running the RMT campaigned for Brexit, thereby helping to fuck up the economy driving massive inflation, and now they're crying about the consequences and causing chaos with their shitty strikes.

I find that far more anger inducing than the simpletons who just believed Boris and co's grand promises because they really wanted 'forriners' to go home and 'Sovrinty!'

You think graduates from well regarded universities in the US and Canada will want to come to the UK? Nope. Perhaps from India, parts of Africa,

I didn’t post those countries. What’s wrong with graduates from India, Africa or other anyway?

As for soggy country. Whatever. Don’t come then.

I’m surrounded by various nationalities here in London we won’t miss a person who sounds like they hate

Fine if that’s what your people think up to them. Not sure you can know all decisions but anyway

I chose London growing up elsewhere, as did about half the people I see each day. We’re happy. The dc are v happy too.

Others can choose to live somewhere else I’m not going to run down their decisions. The world is big and interesting enough to find a place you like - if you’re lucky not everyone gets the chance.

It matters because as, leading Uni's are saying, being out of Horizon means we are out of the 3 main science research bloc's - USA, EU, China.

Monies involved, mean the UK cannot compete, we do not have the funding and scientists from USA and mainland Europe (Generally speaking) have far better science backgrounds and carry with them more funding.

Look at what EU and US are doing with Green, EV and microchip manufacture, compare with the UK.

India siding with Russia, is perhaps an indication that training up their students may not be wise, we only have to look at what China has done with Western technology/skills.

Agree, London is a great example of multiculturalism and one reason why London voted to remain in the EU, weather tends to be a lot drier in the South East of the UK too :)

That’s a different point to graduate visas though. On the upside more people get opportunities I did (although I had a passport anyway but in terms of having the chance)

It was the one thing I thought ok at least more people get the chance, Brexit wasn’t my vote.

I don’t see post grads from Africa or India as any less than US or Canada. That’s nuts imo and not fair on those graduates.

I don’t see post grads from Africa or India as any less than US or Canada. That’s nuts imo and not fair on those graduates

Are you suggesting (generally speaking) a student from a developing countries Uni, is of the same standard as a student from Harvard etc?

Given much of Africa, South America and India/Asia/China are siding with Russia and have chosen their side, i think training up their young people is not a wise course of action at this time - i think we have to reappraise our relationships with countries that are financially (in the case of India, supplying them with hardware that can be re purposed into weapons) supporting Russia's murderous war - remember Russia is threatening us with Nuclear annihilation after all.

Its something we have to consider, Brexit came at a very bad time for the UK.