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to still be angry about Brexit?

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mrsmootoo · 01/08/2022 13:35

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

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Anothernamechangeplease · 03/08/2022 22:21

GladAllOver · 03/08/2022 22:12

The tories would first have to admit they were wrong and lied to the people. Can you see any of this present lot saying that?

Of course not, but they won't be around forever. With Liz Truss at the helm, I suspect that a lot of them will lose their seats at the next election.

Blossomtoes · 03/08/2022 22:22

51.89% to 48.11% doesn't come within lightyears of being a resounding result. It's a "by the skin of one's teeth" result

I remember before the referendum Farage saying a vote of that size for remain wouldn’t be good enough. Yet it’s “resounding” the other way round.

Midnightblack · 03/08/2022 22:30

Anothernamechangeplease · 03/08/2022 22:20

Yes, really.

I think it will take years, but when the next generation has a chance to properly evaluate the real impact of this crazy act of national self-harm, I believe that they will seek to put it right by rejoining the EU.

I don't imagine for a minute that the architects of Brexit will ever admit that they got it wrong. I'm pretty sure that most of them have realised that already, but they won't have the courage to admit it. But in a few years time, when this lot are cleared out, a new crop of MPs will acknowledge the error and try to limit the damage. It will be easy enough for them to blame it on the ignorant older generation - after all, we know that the majority of younger people wanted to stay in the EU in any case.

And Brexit will go down in the history books as a temporary moment of madness, hopefully set right in time to halt the slow decline of the UK before it is too late for it to be reversed.

I may be wrong, but I'm an optimist, and I think future generations will see sense.

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God,I hope you are right. I have every confidence Brexit will go down as one of the most spectacular mistakes of history, but hope this is sooner rather than later.

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 22:34

Anothernamechangeplease · 03/08/2022 22:20

Yes, really.

I think it will take years, but when the next generation has a chance to properly evaluate the real impact of this crazy act of national self-harm, I believe that they will seek to put it right by rejoining the EU.

I don't imagine for a minute that the architects of Brexit will ever admit that they got it wrong. I'm pretty sure that most of them have realised that already, but they won't have the courage to admit it. But in a few years time, when this lot are cleared out, a new crop of MPs will acknowledge the error and try to limit the damage. It will be easy enough for them to blame it on the ignorant older generation - after all, we know that the majority of younger people wanted to stay in the EU in any case.

And Brexit will go down in the history books as a temporary moment of madness, hopefully set right in time to halt the slow decline of the UK before it is too late for it to be reversed.

I may be wrong, but I'm an optimist, and I think future generations will see sense.

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If you’re talking next generation I guess we’ll have to wait and find out

Imo the world will be facing even greater climate issues by then and mass migration will become more of an issue. Scarcity of resources too, so citizens may well want to look at borders more than we did and demand security. The trend to the right in France and Italy could be the early indicators of where we’re headed.

Hard to predict though, maybe you’re right and it could all be back to ye old remain days with my dc.

I am an optimist too so above is a bit gloomy for me but I think we’ll see greater strain due to climate issues, prolonged war won’t help either but if that ends sooner rather than later that would be good (for people of Ukraine mostly of course)

Anothernamechangeplease · 03/08/2022 22:45

I actually think the climate issues will be another motivation for us to rejoin the EU. Collaboration between nations will be our best option.

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 22:49

We’ll see

But then I’m used to Aus where border control is high with a Labor government because people on left and right vote for it

I think there’ll be collaboration on many things, just not an easy solution to mass migration

Anothernamechangeplease · 03/08/2022 22:56

MarshaBradyo · 03/08/2022 22:49

We’ll see

But then I’m used to Aus where border control is high with a Labor government because people on left and right vote for it

I think there’ll be collaboration on many things, just not an easy solution to mass migration

Yeah, I agree re mass migration. The numbers migrating will probably go through the roof as the impact of climate change starts to be felt in different areas. The West collectively bears a significant part of the responsibility for that, and so we will all have to rethink how we are going to share this planet of ours. I think we'll need to be prepared for some big changes.

fakenamefornow · 03/08/2022 23:14

Festoonlights · 03/08/2022 19:17

It wouldn’t matter if there were 60 million signatures this now over.

The ref was a resounding leave.
It was backed by an election voting in May whom promised to deliver and failed
We then voted a third time in an election based purely on brexit and leering and.Johnson won a landslide victory.
Together that is three opportunities to reinforce the result.

We left because the majority decided to do so.

All the petitions in the world won’t change it, which is why no one is reporting it or cares one jot.

You can carry on banging away fruitlessly but for goodness sake have the sense to see it for the waste of time it is,
No one cares any longer. We have moved into. A post brexit world and that has already been the case for years.

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I don't think it's over, frankly, I think only a fool would think it's over. Seriously, you can't really think that can you?
History and countries don't stand still. England was even a republic once, for a short time...

vera99 · 03/08/2022 23:15

Blame him.....

to still be angry about Brexit?
fakenamefornow · 03/08/2022 23:19

Oh, and I agree with you about Brexit repeatedly being voted on and winning (even though a minority of the electorate in each vote, voted for it, that's another thread though). Brexit could have been stopped if Leave voters had changed their minds, they didn't, instead they voted repeatedly and determinedly for Brexit each time, and they can now completely own all the consequences.

fakenamefornow · 03/08/2022 23:22

That was @Festoonlights btw

fakenamefornow · 03/08/2022 23:28

vera99 · 03/08/2022 23:15

Blame him.....

Personally, I blame the people who voted for it, they 'knew what they voted for'.

Midnightblack · 04/08/2022 00:03

fakenamefornow · 03/08/2022 23:19

Oh, and I agree with you about Brexit repeatedly being voted on and winning (even though a minority of the electorate in each vote, voted for it, that's another thread though). Brexit could have been stopped if Leave voters had changed their minds, they didn't, instead they voted repeatedly and determinedly for Brexit each time, and they can now completely own all the consequences.

This is absolutely true, though there were notably fewer each time. 17.4 million in 2016 became 13.2 million in 2019.

Peregrina · 04/08/2022 00:18

The numbers migrating will probably go through the roof as the impact of climate change starts to be felt in different areas.

Since many of these will come from countries where the majority have black or brown skins, I assume that the brexiters will be overjoyed. They used to say it wasn't about immigration or if it was the EU was a white Christian club, which was racist in itself.

Festoonlights · 04/08/2022 08:26

As usual no one can say how their lives have been so drastically altered by leaving ( that’s because the shift has been so subtle as to be negligible for most people!)

Its incredible to me that you still think the EU commission is going to exist in its current form in 5-10 years time. Do you not research or reed anything on the subject?

Festoonlights · 04/08/2022 08:26
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SerendipityJane · 04/08/2022 08:42

Festoonlights · 04/08/2022 08:26

As usual no one can say how their lives have been so drastically altered by leaving ( that’s because the shift has been so subtle as to be negligible for most people!)

Its incredible to me that you still think the EU commission is going to exist in its current form in 5-10 years time. Do you not research or reed anything on the subject?

The problem with that attitude is that when confronted with people whose lives have been drastically altered, you then have to say "Ah well, but they didn't matter ... I wasn't talking about them"

That leads to the situation where companies that have had to stop selling into the EU get told it's their own fault for not bigging up the UK.

Rinse and repeat.

Spitting Image famously sang "I've never met a nice South African". Which still scans if you sing "I've never met a nice Brexiteer". And if you sing it properly, you realise that "Brexiteer" was designed to be said in a South African accent.

Midnightblack · 04/08/2022 08:43

That is simply not true festoon. There are posters talking about having had to move their business to the EU and others talking of a 40% in their business bills because of no longer being in the single market, for example.

MarshaBradyo · 04/08/2022 09:04

SerendipityJane · 04/08/2022 08:42

The problem with that attitude is that when confronted with people whose lives have been drastically altered, you then have to say "Ah well, but they didn't matter ... I wasn't talking about them"

That leads to the situation where companies that have had to stop selling into the EU get told it's their own fault for not bigging up the UK.

Rinse and repeat.

Spitting Image famously sang "I've never met a nice South African". Which still scans if you sing "I've never met a nice Brexiteer". And if you sing it properly, you realise that "Brexiteer" was designed to be said in a South African accent.

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I realise this is meant to be clever but why is this ok? The generalisation about people who voted for Brexit - Does it work with any group of people who aren’t the same in some way or just them

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 04/08/2022 09:42

User135644 · 02/08/2022 17:09

White Europeans replaced with Asians and Africans. Boris didn't put on the side of a bus for those whose vote was based on controlling or curbing immigration.

Not to mention all the boats full of migrants we can no longer return to France and hundreds pour in every day.

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And people say Leavers are racist!

What a disgraceful and racist thing to say!

I think it is the Remainers who are racist.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 04/08/2022 09:45

Festoonlights · 03/08/2022 21:26

I have tried to explain that on other threads but these people refuse to acknowledge the facts or truth. They don’t care. The EU could be blowing up and they would still say it is worse in the U.K.

The worshipping is terrifying there is no sense of balance or even an attempt to understand the other point of view. Bloody minded cult like worship -Ilove and they seem incapable of a nuanced conversation.

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@Festoonlights

Yes, in MNland ignorance is bliss.

They just believe what they want to believe and won't listen to the truth.

There is no point in trying to argue with ignorance.

Festoonlights · 04/08/2022 09:53

Midnightblack · 04/08/2022 08:43

That is simply not true festoon. There are posters talking about having had to move their business to the EU and others talking of a 40% in their business bills because of no longer being in the single market, for example.

I know many many friends that trade with the EU and have either simply adjusted to the extra paper work or source from other countries. I know of precisely no small businesses that relocated and only a few funds that now hire a token desk in Amsterdam. Companies had several years to prepare, and most used the time wisely.
So much was made of this aspect but in reality it was a non starter, which is why France were reduced to creating drama at the ports. Sporadically trying to keep the unrest alive.

If you are that adverse to being independent - move to Europe! You can’t spend the rest of your miserable existence whinging on here. If your aren’t trained - get qualified and plan to leave if it’s so great there. No one is keeping you here.

I imagine some on this thread just love to moan and blame external events for internal dissatisfaction and unhappiness. You live in one of the most wealthiest, safest democracies in the world if you choose to be miserable and ungrateful then it’s on you. The rest of us will enjoy our lives, travelling and trading with the EU AND the rest of the world whilst you waste your life putting together another petition that will be ignored.

Marsha I wish and hope we will become more like Australia and New Zealand in years to come and proper border control and confidence to put our own interests first.

Ammonites · 04/08/2022 10:05

Good life Foods: 100 jobs to go as firm move from Newark to mainland Europe April 2022 BBC news

In a statement the company said “the decision had been driven by the challenging trading conditions that we have experienced in the UK market over recent years and that we believe we would continue to face into 2022 and beyond”

Ammonites · 04/08/2022 10:07

Daniel Lambert of Lambert wines “my welsh business is moving to France due to Brexit and soaring costs” Wales online July 2022

Ammonites · 04/08/2022 10:10

Reuters “more Brexit companies shift to the Netherlands as uncertainty persists”

The London Economic “Netherlands seize Brexit opportunités as British based companies relocate” April 2022