to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

Anyone seen what, Putin superfan and useful idiot Nigel Farage is doing these days? Is he still flag waving for Russia? I think he may have moved on from Brexit to campaigning for exit from ECHR so we can strip undesirables of human rights and have mass deportations. Be very afraid, a significant proportion of the population will be absolutely 100% in support of this, and they have the right wing press behind them.
Get to London in September and march, it's so important.

@vera99 Yep!!

A 6 million plus signature petition recently disappeared - from parliament and history. Even 1/6th of that marching won't be able to shift some anodyne royal story off the front pages to conspire to bury the story.

It wouldn’t matter if there were 60 million signatures this now over.

The ref was a resounding leave.
It was backed by an election voting in May whom promised to deliver and failed
We then voted a third time in an election based purely on brexit and leering and.Johnson won a landslide victory.
Together that is three opportunities to reinforce the result.

We left because the majority decided to do so.

All the petitions in the world won’t change it, which is why no one is reporting it or cares one jot.

You can carry on banging away fruitlessly but for goodness sake have the sense to see it for the waste of time it is,
No one cares any longer. We have moved into. A post brexit world and that has already been the case for years.

*!leaving

@Festoonlights well if you are happy with it as you clearly are - then why comment on here? The ERG and right wingers never shut up about it from 1975- so allow those of us whose businesses and lives aren't quite so tickety boo due to Brexit to moan away as much as we like thanks , as we didn't ask or want it -

I'm not seeing those local elections by the way in the last 8 months looking such a resounding success for the Tory's , 20,000 plus majorities overturned ? it's clear to far more people that there's no sunlit uplands for them and they were fed a pile of pup , partly Brexit but other stuff too

@Festoonlights I do agree about marches though and I'm certainly not remotely pro Brexit- I think a few more gigantic election losses and they will realise that The red wall kind of areas vote with wallets and jobs and they aren't keen on corruption or vast contracts for mates , Brexit or no Brexit

Late to this thread, but yes, I'm still very angry. There are so many things that were labelled Project Fear that have subsequently happened, and I'm yet to see any of the supposed benefits. (What happened to that £350 million pounds per week for the NHS again?)

Sadly, I think many Brexit voters are too ignorant to be able to connect some of the problems arising from Brexit with the choice that they made back in 2016, but I think it's pretty clear now to those with the capacity to understand the evidence that it has not been beneficial to the UK. There appears to be little prospect of it delivering benefits any time in the near future.

I still think there will come a time when we as a nation decide that we need to rejoin the EU. Whether or not they will have us back, and on what terms, remains to be seen.

No one cares any longer.

Well, this is just factually incorrect, isn't it. Lots of people care deeply, as evidenced by this thread alone.

You might not care, but as a Brexit voter, I wouldn't really expect you to.

@Festoonlights we're all aware that the outcome of the vote was 'Leave' but it was by means a "resounding" result...

51.89% to 48.11% doesn't come within lightyears of being a resounding result. It's a "by the skin of one's teeth" result.

This is how that looks if you need a visual. Hardly a landslide is it?

Festoonlights the referendum wasn't a resounding anything. It was so close you could barely get a fag paper between leave and remain.

I wouldn’t call an extra 1.2 million votes wafer thin.
Since then Boris Johnson did in fact win a landslide victory in 2019 on the sole basis of getting brexit done.

Far from brexiteers changing their minds most remainers I know voted to reman not for the reasons of adulation and a love for the EU commission but because they were scared by project fear which has now disappeared. I think there is even less support now than before.

If people knew what was happening with the EU they wouldn't want to be part of it

They have awful problems especially with Italy whose government has just collapsed and the £200 billion that the ECB gave them recently hasn't turned their economy round.

As you know Germany is really suffering because of their reliance Russian gas bit the EU is forcing the other EU countries to bail them out by cutting their energy usage.

If we were still in the EU we would also have to bail Germany out.

Even Labour abandoned all prospect of a rejoin party because the intelligence that is produced about public moods and values again and again that the majority still believe it was right to leave. It’s only a small but very vocAl cabal that still harbour deep resentment

I have tried to explain that on other threads but these people refuse to acknowledge the facts or truth. They don’t care. The EU could be blowing up and they would still say it is worse in the U.K.

The worshipping is terrifying there is no sense of balance or even an attempt to understand the other point of view. Bloody minded cult like worship -Ilove and they seem incapable of a nuanced conversation.

Me too, I am so angry. So many utter lies and I truly rage at David Cameron and the utterly useless lying hypocrite known as Boris Johnson. A shit show of epic proportions.

Sadly, I think many Brexit voters are too ignorant to be able to connect some of the problems arising from Brexit with the choice that they made back in 2016

But isn't the battle cry of the Brexiteer that they aren't ignorant ? So they can connect these problems with their vote. Obviously. Although that does lead to another negative view of their political engagement, which is (looks at Boris Johnson) they're liars and they support liars. No other conclusion to be drawn.

More and more people think leaving the EU was a mistake

It’s all very well to regret it after the vote but even Labour have said no return

There’s not a party who wants to appeal to these people

I guess if marching feels like the right thing to do it’s no bad thing but Brexit appears to be bi partisan now

The parties have all said no return for now. As the devastating impact of Brexit becomes clearer over time, even the Tories may yet go back to the EU with their tails between their legs to beg them to let us back in. We'll have to see what happens.

Really?

Even when the opposition adopts and endorses the position?

I think the EU will face its own problem with Italy’s politics and Germany’s fuel issues. France too went to the right. Citizens will demand more security so these shifts might keep happening. It probably won’t be one more attractive over time

But we’ll see everything is changing

I'm still angry that we did this to ourselves.

It also seems that a huge chunk of leave voters were the older generation which seems so unjust considering that young adults who weren't eligible to vote at the time will be some of the worst off for it.

The tories would first have to admit they were wrong and lied to the people. Can you see any of this present lot saying that?

Yes, really.

I think it will take years, but when the next generation has a chance to properly evaluate the real impact of this crazy act of national self-harm, I believe that they will seek to put it right by rejoining the EU.

I don't imagine for a minute that the architects of Brexit will ever admit that they got it wrong. I'm pretty sure that most of them have realised that already, but they won't have the courage to admit it. But in a few years time, when this lot are cleared out, a new crop of MPs will acknowledge the error and try to limit the damage. It will be easy enough for them to blame it on the ignorant older generation - after all, we know that the majority of younger people wanted to stay in the EU in any case.

And Brexit will go down in the history books as a temporary moment of madness, hopefully set right in time to halt the slow decline of the UK before it is too late for it to be reversed.

I may be wrong, but I'm an optimist, and I think future generations will see sense.