to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

So a fraud and thief... and you back him.

@MidnightMeltdown and please feel free to share the data with us that 'only 1% of young people want to work abroad'

You must understand that it is much, much harder to live and work in the EU now? I am really hoping that you understand this.

I have worked in the EU when I was younger, one stint was for 6 months. Other times it was for much shorter periods of times - go for meetings - internal and external, attend training courses, visit factories etc. You must know that all this very 'normal' stuff is much harder. I could do it all at the drop of a hat, my DC will not have the same experience.

Quite frankly, if I was an international business with offices in the EU, why the hell would I employ UK people who are much more of a ball ache to manage and sort out admin for? I would just employ EU citizens who have the same qualifications and are much more mobile

Brexshit - not really a success is it😂

@Pipsquiggle Yep! I know as someone who has moved back from Denmark- some of it was due to beauracracy, other aspects were due to the fact that flights have doubled and availability halved and we needed to come back for business and family reasons a fair bit . Not all Brexit related admittedly- a mix of covid too in that example.

As I said before on a previous post- it's not just the fact of it being difficult now to employ a Brit- it's also investment wise- why would anyone invest in uk if they deal with import/export at all - unless the uk in itself is a big enough market-- I certainly wouldn't when you can go to say Netherlands and have 27 markets that are very easy to deal with and well educated employees from all over the EU .

This is not a parody but a real video from the Cabinet office which is supposed to be a simple guide to exporting goods to the EU. You really couldn't make this stuff but Brexit did. "Fuck Business" as Johnson said who has never had a proper job in his life - at least he kept that promise.

We are seeing the slow re-emergence of the landed gentry where who you are matters more than what you do. If you can manage to join that up with the calls for benefit claimants to have to work for their benefits you can probably recreate a pretty good feudalist system without too much effort.

Why?
Because everyone knows they have fuck all real power, and were/are just window dressing.
pointless waste of money and time

That wasn't the case at all. If you and others chose not to vote then that was your decision.

You can't simultaneously claim there was a majority for Brexit despite many not voting, and disparage them for that saying "tough, it was democratic", then claim that MEPs were not democratically elected because some people chose not to participate. The selective double-think is astonishing.

That of course begs the question why the man who stirred up all this shitte stayed in such a corrupt and pointless organisation.

£350k+ per year? And the sound of his own voice through a microphone.

Its like Schrodinger's EU - Unelected officials telling us what to do but have no power and are pointless.

Ahhahaha exactly.

@vera99 thanks for sharing this.

By anyone's standards this video shows what an absolute clusterfuck Brexit is.

Sandeep is pretty happy.
Edward and Elise are pulling their hair out in disbelief of the quagmire of shit they have to go through to get a vase to sell in France.
Elise is infruriated that Edward's stock is slow to arrive and increasingly expensive to buy. She feels sorry for Edward but she can no longer keep buying from Edward on these terms.
Elise decides to buy her glassware from Gianni in Italy. Very slighty not as good quality but easy to order, delivered on time and great stock availability.

Yeah, Brexit was such a great idea for British business

Well said.

I'm getting even more angry now that we are trying to sort out visas for my student DD3 to do the second half of her year abroad in Italy. She has to do six months there from the end of January next year (she is currently doing her first six month stint in South America).

Straight away we are being hit by the 90 day rule for Europe and will have to apply for a student visa to allow her to stay for 180 days. After that she had been hoping to do an internship in Spain over the summer, but that very probably won't be possible.

We don't yet even have all of the paperwork from her university to allow us to apply properly for the extended Schengen visa!

None of that was an issue at all while the UK was a member of the EU, but Brexshit has now intervened and there are now obstacles where previously there were none.

Honestly, sorting out her visas for six months in South America was far easier now that Brexshit has screwed things over with access to the EU here.

We have thought of getting her registered as an Irish citizen (Irish grandparent) so that she could apply for an Irish passport, but I looked into it and the cost is prohibitive for us at the moment (950 euros).

I get more horrified by the day as does my dh.

that said these days it’s just one of a number of things that horrifies me about the Tory party’s “achievements” 😡in the last decade. There are now quite a few of which brexit is probably the biggest but plenty of runners up.

Every time I go to the shops, use the more than double priced butter & other things or see the news.

YADNBU!!!

The fact that they brag about Brexit as an “achievement” blows my mind - and makes me lose my shit! 🤯

It's the lying as to having to pretend it's a good thing when pressed some even default to it was the "democratic will of the people" - as in don't blame us for this shitshow "the people" did it. 100s of millions spent on now useless customs checkpoints in ports. This of course means that all British goods must conform to EU rules which are applied as we are now a 3rd country where all EU goods come in unchecked as Ree-Mogg said it would be an act of national self-harm to apply them. Now THAT.IS.TRULY.A.DISGRACE

@vera99 it's an absolute charter for smugglers too , as only very random checks are apparently being made

I read somewhere the costs of Brexit and the economic hit so far add up to the total cost of our membership up until we left and there is still no end in sight.

Another one who will be angry about this probably for ever. And hearing Brexiteers claiming that various resulting issues aren't a result of Brexit makes my blood boil.

@Hoppinggreen May I ask - you have the British passport, but you can join the same queue at the airport as your family? I‘m asking because we’re in a similar situation - myself and our kids are EU passport holders, my husband is British 🙂

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I did last week
We just joined the non existent citizens/EU queue and went through straight away with no questions asked
Cant guarantee t will always work but I only tried because a lady on here told me she had done it

I am old enough to have been to university and been working and holding down a job when some of these Brexiters were either not born or were still in nappies.

For one thing in 1975 we were already in the EEC, but we voted to stay in. It didn't stop the Farage's of the world bellyaching about the EU, while in his particular case doing very nicely thank you as an MEP.

So for Brexiters I now think, shut it - I don't want to hear your silly babble.

There's an anti brexit/rejoin march in London in September, come on that. I'll try to find a link (actually, it deserves its own thread). The anti brexit marches before we left were always really good friendly affairs. No violence, very light policing. A world apart from the pro brexit marches which were full of thick, racist thugs looking for anyone remotely 'foreign looking' to intimate.

@Crikeyalmighty cheaper and more readily available illicit drugs - one for Jacob to add to his list of Brexit benefits.

Not that I wouldn't love to rejoin the EU, but what could this possibly achieve?

No government is going to take steps to return us, it's too much of a political hot potato.

I think its more important to march in protest against the bills dismantling our human rights.