to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

@AndreaC74 - exactly- it's totally pointless- I'm pretty sure 'many 'voted this way for immigration reasons - some even thought it meant there could be no immigration at all except highly skilled niche professionals - I don't think they were banking on loads of not particularly skilled non EU immigrants to replace Polish, Spanish etc

I have, Dover, a car broke down, causing queues, nothing crazy, the french official people just waved us through.

Also, my friend turned up at Plymouth/Roscoff with an out of date passport, they let her through and back again, this was around 2006 or 7.

@beguilingeyes I work in music- it's pointless unless you are at quite a high level these days and now a total fag and virtually impossible to sell merch unless you can keep stock within the EU

@Crikeyalmighty

Immigration is now running at 500k per year, on par with anything from the EU, with up to 5m HK Chinese allowed to come here.

But all of my Leave voting friends are graduates from some of the top universities, many with post graduate professional qualifications. I'm in this category too. Shock, horror, some are even Oxbridge graduates

Well, of course they did.

@Crikeyalmighty nailed it.

I think it’s absolutely fair enough that people say relatives are getting more per hour. Good.
i still don’t think it comes close to making up for the utter damage wrought on the country as a whole, the billions wasted, the threat to peace in NI, and there should have been easier ways of raising peoples’ pay, but if a few people are getting something, that’s better than nothing.

@Crikeyalmighty I don't know how bands just starting out are supposed to exist now.
My friends band are lucky enough to be able to get merch sent out from Germany. Sending from the UK to the EU is too expensive to be worth it now.
Sunlit uplands eh?

Yanbu. I'll be angry about it for as long as it continues to have huge negative effects on me and my fellow citizens.

So, forever then.

Im angry, on behalf of my kids. Im mid 50s, ive worked abroad and travelled widely. They've had a door shut in their faces i didnt know existed.
so yes, im angry.

None of the better educated ones want to admit it often benefits them personally - consultancy roles, contracts, distressed assets, off shore tax and it doesn't affect them personally, apart from a bit of inconvenience at the airport as it doesn't involve 'their ' business or finances or family set up in a negative way. Rather a lot of Carrie Johnson's on this site I feel.

I think you're right, @Crikeyalmighty. The Carries of Mumsnet don't want to explicitly say they voted Leave for perosnally selfish reasosns. So they dress it up in the sovereignty nonsense.

Visitors coming in are getting shitty attitudes from our customs people too.
I have a German friend who's a Genesis nut. He came over to see the at the O2 and was stopped because they were suspicious that he was going to the same concert three times. They were unpleasantly aggressive.

Yes, this lot that are coming of age now have been clobbered - lost the EU citizenship they were born into before they even had a chance to vote, crucial education/exam years derailed by covid and about to enter into harsher loan agreements for fees at universities that are losing cross-eu collaboration/funding links.

Yes. So sad and unnecessary. And their lives in the UK will also be poorer.

What Brexit? We drove 1500 miles across Europe last week. No stamps at the Eurotunnel passport control. Took no longer than pre Brexit when they were always checked. The queues over the last 2 weekends were due to French understaffing. Travelling through was no different to pre Brexit.

£ is stronger against the Euro than it was in the years before Covid. There are price rises everywhere. The cost of food in European supermarkets is much higher than in the UK especially fruit and veg and meat which is approx 50% higher.

Energy/food prices and shortages are being felt everywhere due to the Russian invasion on Ukraine as well as the Covid knock on effect. Nothing to do with Brexit.

This argument about young people from the UK being denied the opportunity to work abroad is hysterical. Most young people in the UK do not want to work abroad in a non-English speaking country. They want decently paid jobs in the UK!

My DH has recently had a well deserved bumper pay increase because his employer finally has to reduce its profit to pay enough to retain staff as cheap labour has reduced. Similarly DD’s BF and his mates have just set up their own businesses and are rushed off their feet with work. Teen DS has got a summer job in a warehouse well above usual pay.

The NHS should never have relied upon staff from other countries. I’ve been saying this for years. Why are we not training more of our own doctors and nurses? It is an absolute disgrace.

It’s only the well off Waitrose shoppers with DC in private schools whinging about Brexit IME. They bitch about the British ‘ underclass’ not wanting to work but don’t want to pay more so they can earn a decent living to make it worthwhile.

Brexit has always been a class issue IMO.

I agree about not training our young people already here

“Brexit has always been a class issue IMO”

Absolutely.

If its a class issue why did most of working class Scotland vote to remain then???

Not all Brexiteers were racist. There were many reasons people voted Leave:
To make more money eg. JRM.
Because God told them.
As a message to the Wealthy Elite, that the rest of us were sick of paying for their stuff.
Terrorists and Ex terrorists voted for it to force a United Ireland Referendum.
Farmers were told it would be beneficial.
Because they are racists/xenophobes. You can't deny they exist.🤷‍♀️
The fishing industry were told it would be beneficial.
People's fears were targeted via SM and blamed on the EU.
Other terrorists and Ex terrorists voted for it because they saw it as an opportunity for their smuggling businesses.
They were unaware of EU contributions to the UK's economy and infrastructure.
Leave lied through their teeth.🤬
To see what would happen.
Because they were pissed off at something their local council did.
£350 million per week for the NHS.
Nostalgia.
Belief in PM Johnson.
They thought it would be easy.

Regardless, it was an awful, toxic thing at the time and it continues to be a fucking dreadfully expensive clusterfuck of toxic awfulness 6 years later. 😖

what a moroninc response.

Some people really spend their days thinking that everything that Scottish people do is fueled by anti-English sentiment rather than a pragmatism as to what is in Scotland's best interests.

'We'd rather stay in the EU and retain freedom of movement and not commit economic self-harm' is then translated by dolts as 'ooooh that's so anti-English'.

And because there are apparently loads of benefits, and we've been released from allegedly tens of thousands of laws we had to comply with, but Leavers are terribly coy when it comes to telling us what these are.

Is that the best you can come up with?

Yep this. The problems are just starting.

I miss being anle to go in the fast EU queue at airports. I miss being able to take a sanswich on the Eurostar without worrying I’ll get fined for importing controlled goods if it has butternon the bread.

Most of all I hate how we pissed off all our closest allies and wasted huge amounts of EU & British government time and money.

I reckon the whole thing was a project by Russian intelligence services in the run up to the invasion of Ukraine. They needed a weak EU.

Nope. We are all ears. Waiting to hear about the Brexit benefits. Something actually based in facts, that compensates for the 30% drop in the value of GBP when we import a large chunk of energy and fuel: essentials. All priced in USD. Fun time to do that!

And collapse lots of businesses who used to export, making our balance of payments as a country even worse than it was!

And a myriad of other things. Labour shortages, much fewer opportunities and options for young people to work abroad, older people can't retire abroad, those who already have won't have their pensions uprated anymore.

And now we're getting to what the real goal was, where rights will start to be rolled back.

Please do tell us the tangible benefits and what Brexit has improved? We would all genuinely love to hear anything on this that wasn't fantasy. We've been waiting a long time.