to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

I too am considered a highly educated professional in the top 1% but yet we are all uneducated racists. It is truly pitiful.

I'm very upset about Brexit. I live in N.ireland, close to the border with ROI and, apart from the problems concerning trade etc, the political upheaval has been dreadful. Only one political party here supported Brexit and now they are the party complaining about the protocol and have brought down our devolved government. I'm furious that people in GB who voted for Brexit seemed unaware of the problems it would create in N.ireland.

Fo you write laws? Do you deal with international negotiations on regulations? Do you know anything about international trade or economics?

Do, or wise one, please tell us the benefits of Brexit. We've all asked many times to hear what they are and received only tumbleweed so we wait with bated breath.

Well @Festoonlights - where are those benefits and a link to those "tens of thousands" of laws and diktats we no longer have to comply with?

I do hope @Festoonlights won't be leaving until she's provided a link to the "tens of thousands of laws and diktats" Brexit has removed

I hope @Danoo won’t be leaving until she has informed us at what age voters cannot vote.

Have you listed the benefits yet or are you solely doing the tantrum thing?

I too am considered a highly educated professional in the top 1% but yet we are all uneducated racists. It is truly pitiful.

It is but you're not welcome to have a different view in the MN echo chamber.

No Leave voter is going to want to engage in the face of constant vitriol and insults, hence why it's always a one-sided debate. On that note, time to get back to work and leave them to it.

Thought you were gone?

I'm furious that people in GB who voted for Brexit seemed unaware of the problems it would create in N.ireland.

Oh they were aware. They just didn't give af.

@Festoonlights I’m really shocked by the ignorance of your post.. do you see that a lot of the things you mention aren’t ‘facts’ - as in total, absolute truths..? It’s this rhetoric which is ignorant & repeated over & over. You don’t seem to have understood some of the replies - it’s the definition of ‘fact’ which is really important. Using factual information & communicating with facts helps people make better decisions. I suppose underneath all the ‘petty’ issues with Brexit/Europe, do you understand or acknowledge that Europe was formed as a peace project following WW2? I wonder how you feel about that and if you feel bitterness towards that or is it just the sort of immigration/money/‘take back control’ which interests you rather than the democratic/humanitarian context of Europe? x

We have our autonomy back

Yet you scuttle away @Festoonlights without making any attempt to explain that, or the other claims you made despite being asked to.

Your posts and slithering away tell me what I need to know.

It's the usual cowardice of Leavers who can't tell us about these so called benefits Brexit has supposedly created.

Come up with tangible benefits and ideas for post Brexit UK and how to remove the very real barriers business & individuals face trading/living & working with the EU and i'm all ears.

No Leave voter is going to want to engage in the face of constant vitriol and insults, hence why it's always a one-sided debate. On that note, time to get back to work and leave them to it.

There's always an excuse with this lot.

They can't name any tangible benefits so they run away.

Another one who loftily says that they won't engage because they simply can't define any of these so called benefits.

Yes plenty of Oxbridge graduates voted for it- usually ones with plenty of family money behind them, second homes overseas already and working in very uk centric business where they stood to make lots of money from it, management consultancies , - hedge funders etc their opportunities aren't being restricted because money 'buys' ways into certain places - especially if you don't need to work. Just because you've been to oxbridge doesn't mean you have much commercial business sense on a non uk level, if any at all see current government for details. Kind of person that thinks £150k for a simple website sounds fine to them- when it's not their cash.

It's the biggest example I've seen of very well off people of independent means convincing ordinary people that something was to their benefit. Your use of the word 'OUR' country in capitals says it all really. Not exactly welcoming is it. So who do you think is going to do all the fill in /casual type work where they simply cannot recruit then? Because it's clear that there is a large swathe of non working Brits who either are unable to work or don't want to work for whatever reason or want only part time home based etc! - and it's not just low pay- I've seen roles with pretty decent pay where they still cannot recruit. How are you going to justify your view when they start allowing far more Indians/phillipinos in etc without specialist skills? And I'm not betting against it. All rather pointless.

She won't, because she can't.

Yes sadly, they couldn’t care less what damage Brexit does to the Good Friday agreement and lasting peace in NI. Nothing matters more than not having to hear foreign accents on the bus.

@holidayelbow We went to Holland in April and it was stamped in and out. Used to just wave it at them. I think they're due to start taking fingerprints soon also, and there will be the EU equivalent of the ESTA....some sort of visa waiver thing to apply for.

I’m past being angry at Brexit as a whole, although every day, there’s some new fresh hell levelled at us. I think we have to accept where we are now, and try to make the best of the shitshow - this is where I worry, as both major U.K. parties seem full of completely inept, corrupt bullshit artists who couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. So yeah: when it comes to having capable people actually sorting through the debris, we’re a bit screwed.

How are you going to justify your view when they start allowing far more Indians/phillipinos in etc without specialist skills? And I'm not betting against it. All rather pointless

already happening in the NHS, language skills lowered to make sure we can increase the numbers of Nurses in NHS but the NHS needs far more than only nurses... OT's Physio's Radiographers... than there are the 1000s of care workers who have left to return to the eU...

They call themselves "Patriots" but have actually vandalised this country and are puppets of Putin but they care? nope.

@beguilingeyes I have never in my life just waved my passport at a border official in any eu country pre brexit. . Including getting back into our own country, they open it and look at it.

@Friffle None of the better educated ones want to admit it often benefits them personally - consultancy roles, contracts, distressed assets, off shore tax and it doesn't affect them personally, apart from a bit of inconvenience at the airport as it doesn't involve 'their ' business or finances or family set up in a negative way. Rather a lot of Carrie Johnson's on this site I feel.

To be honest I have less of an issue with anyone who says my warehouse husband is getting £4 an hour more due to shortages of workers- at least it's honest.

@holidayelbow ok, a bit of an exaggeration but close enough.
I have friends in bands who are having nightmares trying to take van loads of musical equipment across the continent. The dreaded carnet is back.