Brexit mega thread part 8: platinum jubilee edition

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I was surprised to hear that too @quiteathome

In the Ukraine thread, someone posted a quote from Alexander Dugin’s book that described the uk as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S., that should be cut off from Europe. Now what could that possibly refer to?

And apparently Dugin also wrote that Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging… ethnic, social and racial conflict to destabilize internal political processes in the U.S.

No wonder Putin felt so confident to attack Ukraine. He must have been chuffed at what’s happened and continues to happen in the UK, as well as the divisions in the US.

Meanwhile, it’s a struggle to identify a single benefit to Brexit but easy to see a whole lot of harm that just keeps accumulating. Depressingly, there’s a good chance that Truss as PM will continue to inflict more damage with a souped up version of the ‘real’ Brexit to appease the Tory faithful and ends up triggering a full out trade war and subsequent escalation of violence in NI.

One day, I hope Johnson and JRS and Gove and Cummings and the whole ERG cabal and everyone who orchestrated and contributed to this chaos are seen as the traitors of the UK they really are. In the meantime, we suffer.

We have rulers, not leaders.

And I see that La Truss has appointed herself the conscience of the country. Presumably the play's the thing ?

Truss: Exit, pursued by the consequences of your own actions

Of course such Shakespearian shenanigans only serve to bolster the accusation of Remainers being a sneering liberal elite. As La Truss shows - never, ever hint at being anything more than averagely dim. Notice how one of the very subtle anti-Sunak slurs is that he is "clever". (Which he isn't, by the way, He really isn't).

I can't claim it's only in the UK - other countries exist. But it's in the UK where I have heard the accusation that it's unfair someone passed an exam "because they knew the answers".

The poverty of aspiration - all aspiration not just educational - in the UK in certain areas and certain social strata is fucking depressing.

This has been going on for a long long time in schools, where it's been "uncool" to be intelligent, or to work hard. Particularly among boys.

But then the Torie Scum don't want an intelligent or educated workforce, they would be harder to tread into the dust.

I agree.
Especially amongst white wc boys. Only Bangladeshi boys perform worse as a group. It was the same when I was at school 35 years ago!
But it's more than that. It goes deeper.
It's the aspiration to not have kids at 16/17 like the rest of your family (going back generations in some cases...),
to work and not claim benefits, travel abroad...
I know people where I live that have never travelled - even within the UK - who see anything "new" - whether it be food, places, experiences - as something to be viewed with suspicion or even anger/fear.
They are usually those with limited education, and older people.
The exact demographic of the majority of brexshit voters as it happens.

In the late 90s I worked for a training provider and we had a girl who had taken 3 GCSEs early, then failed the rest - very, very bright. She was doing an NVQ with us. She got a placement at a travel agents and within a week they had offered her a permanent job, which she accepted.

A day later I found her at our training base in tears because her parents threatened to throw her out if she took the job because it would be 'showing them up' - they didn't work, didn't want to work, didn't care.

I spent the next 2 days sorting out emergency supported housing for her so she could have her own place, work and earn. She was 17.

I met her years later with her second baby at the HV clinic where I was with my youngest - she was married, settled, working, happy.

But this is what we're dealing with when it comes to the hard core of underachievement.

Glad it worked out for her. It so often doesn't :(

When I was at school the vast majority of my peers left at 15/16 to go straight into factory work.

Most were married/had kids by 19/20.

I have a contemporary who is a great grandmother.

It worries me that we can't seem to change that culture of not caring. And we can't because there's honestly so little to be gained for a lot of people. We don't have social mobility any more and we have a government who like people knowing their place. It's a toxic and potentially explosive situation.

Agreed.
I thought growing up in the 80s was bad but at least there were options;
Open university (now its not much cheaper than red brick universities)
You could buy a house on 1 wage
Freedom of movement in the EU for study and travel
There was a real sense of hope in the late 90s and great work done on reducing child poverty.
All gone
And for what?
To appease the ambitions of Eton posh boys
Ffs

I think this is what depresses me most.
when Labour won in 1997 you could literally feel the euphoria in the air a sense of real excitement & hope, I worked in homeless sector we were given so many resources some really outstanding initiatives were given funding we had joined up access to rehabilitation/education/employment etc.
Well funded & properly trained staffed supported housing, all lost funding pulled etc once the Tories came back in & austerity measures started in earnest ffs indeed.

Visa and MasterCard have hiked their fees for customers using their cards abroad.

Why? Because they can.

Because we left the European Union Interchange Fee Regulation, which caps interchange fees.

Cheers Brexshitteers, another lie being shown up. No apologies from the liers, nor from those who believed the obvious bullsh!t they were spouting...

we have a government who like people knowing their place.

many years ago, in an academic setting, a lecturer played out a thought experiment on how slavery would be revived. Not the race-driven peculiar institution of the US. But the concept of people as chattel.

As always, the price of liberty ...

One of the first rungs on the ladder would be to create a class of people in perpetual debt, willing to sell one child to feed three.

www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output

Not news, but really depressing at the stranglehold Tories have over UK media including the once proud BBC. Dom would be proud.

More trouble with France

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62670623

What's the betting some Bright Brexiteer suggests it's part of the masterplan to tackle migrants ?

Who'd buy English fish ? I wouldn't.

Something on Sky comparing French and UK beach water quality.

17% of UK beaches met EU water quality standards, in France its over 70%.

Seems Project Fear has scared some, albeit a bit late.

....and I ask..AGAIN...
What are those benefits of brexshit????

Reading the BBC item about the French justifiably complaining about the UK polluting common waters: it accepts without comment the Defra spokesman saying that post Brexit the UK "The Environment Act has made our laws even stronger on water quality than when we were in the EU, from targets to tackle nutrient pollution to new powers to tackle harmful substances in our waters."

There. Was. Nothing. Stopping. Us. Having. Higher. Standards. When. We. Were. In. The. EU. All news reports should point that out each and every time it's wheeled out as an excuse

Plus the water companies crying crocodile tears and agreeing that there is an urgent need for action to improve infrastructure to improve overflows as part of a wider national environmental programme between 2020 and 2025. What the Fuck have they been doing since they were privatised? Was that nog part of the justification for de-nationalising - so that they would put in the necessary investment but we all knew that that was a load of tosh and would never happen

And now Truss isn’t sure whether Macron is a friend or a foe.

Sounds like her head's in a whirl

Dizzy Lizzie. Going to be our PM. Abandon all hope etc. etc.

"Interesting" bot activity on the threads today re: gas prices snd Ukraine....

Yeah, I saw that. We should be proud to pay through the nose and line shareholder pockets because solidarity with Ukraine. Serious case of fuck that here.