Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

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@pointythings

Yes, the EU having passed it automatically makes it bad, IMO. If it's worth having then it either should already be UK law or new law should be made to acheive a similar effect.

So what you're also saying that if the EU passes a law the UK thinks would be worth having, it's better to go through all the hassle of getting it on the statute books than adopt it seamlessly because we (used to be) are in the EU? That logic is mind-blowing.

Isn't this basically what used to happen in lots of cases anyway? Some EU laws would apply directly and directives would apply indirectly and be codified into Acts of Parliament

Indeed this transposition is exactly what happened at the point of our exit!

www.legislation.gov.uk/eu-legislation-and-uk-law

I think saying that anything EU is bad by definition is a very telling nutshell of Brexit and its supporters.

I see Gove is blaming Labour for inventing 'hostile environment'...
Anyone told Theresa May?

Why is Walmart able to negotiate rock bottom prices from its suppliers? Because it’s bloody huge and uses its size as leverage to drive a hard bargain for any firm that wants to supply to its stores.

The whole point to joining / being part of a union is that there’s strength gained in negotiating with others as part of a larger collective. More people means more leverage. That’s as true for an individual as it was the UK. In both cases you pay union fees for that benefit.

Now, I don’t always agree with my union’s position on all points but I’m certainly grateful that as an individual I don’t have to be an expert on pensions, on wages, on the impact of inflation, on employment rights etc etc. Shame that the UK is no longer able to draw on the EU trade negotiation expertise (woeful short supply in the UK) or by being part of a 447 million union membership. Even JRM is struggling to identify Brexit benefits or you’d think he needn’t resort to asking DM readers fgs.

Anyhow, we’ve been round and round this particular merry go round for 6 years and there are bigger issues going on in the world.

I see Gove is blaming Labour for inventing 'hostile environment'...
Anyone told Theresa May?

Has he been asleep for ten years? Doesn't he know his party has been in Government for a decade?

Robins like people, they don't seem to like other robins, they are very territorial.

I look at the beautiful spring flowers and think about Ukraine, especially the beautiful yellow daffodils. It is a constrast to see such beauty in a time of horror.

I'm glad the EU is sticking together and there is less infighting probably because we left. Unlike Putin, I don't see their success as part of a zero sum game, it provides stability in Europe, something I can see the value in when looking back at 20th century history, but didn't think I'd be contemplating in my lifetime.

@HappyWinter

Robins like people, they don't seem to like other robins, they are very territorial.

I look at the beautiful spring flowers and think about Ukraine, especially the beautiful yellow daffodils. It is a constrast to see such beauty in a time of horror.

I'm glad the EU is sticking together and there is less infighting probably because we left. Unlike Putin, I don't see their success as part of a zero sum game, it provides stability in Europe, something I can see the value in when looking back at 20th century history, but didn't think I'd be contemplating in my lifetime.

He likes me because I buy mealworms for him :)

I think Louise typifies the blinkered mentality of the Brexshiteer.

In her world there's no such thing as a win/win, someone else has to lose.

The problem is, it's the UK that is losing, over and over and over again...

@RancidOldHag

I remember the outcry when it went up to £1 a gallon!!

Me too. 1.60 a litre today. Asda. W miss.

W Mids FFS autocorrect just as you press post...

ChiswickFlo Your robin is very lucky! If I take my toddler to the park and we sit down for a snack, they visit us as they want to share, they've worked out that small children=lots of crumbs. They are quite tame, it's lovely.

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But not MPs eh?

Oooh dreadful link, sorry!

Louise can you point me to a piece of legislation that was implemented or adopted "automatically" by the EU? I'm just wondering what you had in mind when you wrote that post. I'm happy to admit you probably have a wider knowledge of EU legislation than I do.

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Louise can you point me to a piece of legislation that was implemented or adopted "automatically" by the EU? I'm just wondering what you had in mind when you wrote that post. I'm happy to admit you probably have a wider knowledge of EU legislation than I do.

Many on this thread have been asking similar for 6 years....

Don't hold your breath

Now now, Flo, give Louise a chance to answer for herself. I'm keeping an open mind

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Louise can you point me to a piece of legislation that was implemented or adopted "automatically" by the EU? I'm just wondering what you had in mind when you wrote that post. I'm happy to admit you probably have a wider knowledge of EU legislation than I do.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. Possibly a grammar fail on my part. I wrote that the EU having passed a law "automatically" makes it bad IMO in response to Peregrina who asked me

"Does this include a) those EU laws which were promoted by the UK when a Member state, or did it passing into EU law automatically make it bad?"

Basically my answer to this question was yes. I want as little legacy EU law to apply in the UK as possible.

I'd say the same even if a) said law is something the UK advocated for while an EU member state or b) a new law UK law would need to be made to have a similar effect.

I know b) costs Parliamentary time and money but I want EU law gone from UK statute books to the maximum extent permitted.

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Now now, Flo, give Louise a chance to answer for herself. I'm keeping an open mind

Merely pointing out we've been asking for 6 years....

I am positively agog waiting for an answer...

*I think you might have misunderstood my post. Possibly a grammar fail on my part. I wrote that the EU having passed a law "automatically" makes it bad IMO in response to Peregrina who asked me

"Does this include a) those EU laws which were promoted by the UK when a Member state, or did it passing into EU law automatically make it bad?"

Basically my answer to this question was yes. I want as little legacy EU law to apply in the UK as possible.

I'd say the same even if a) said law is something the UK advocated for while an EU member state or b) a new law UK law would need to be made to have a similar effect.

I know b) costs Parliamentary time and money but I want EU law gone from UK statute books to the maximum extent permitted*

So. If I understand you correctly...

ANY and ALL EU laws including those proposed by the UK when still a member and even those greatly benefitting the UK and UK industries are inherently "bad" because they were made whilst we were a member? (For example the huge EU subsidies for our farmers and fishing industries)

Am I understanding?

And that it's worth spending tax payer money and time to simply replicate but remove the word "EU" from said statutes?

Is that right?

OK, thanks for clarifying your thought process.
I'd still like you to give a concrete example of a "bad" EU law, and why you think it's so bad.
Where do you stand on, say, the Working Time Directive, mentioned by a PP?

So. If I understand you correctly...

ANY and ALL EU laws including those proposed by the UK when still a member and even those greatly benefitting the UK and UK industries are inherently "bad" because they were made whilst we were a member? (For example the huge EU subsidies for our farmers and fishing industries)

Am I understanding?

And that it's worth spending tax payer money and time to simply replicate but remove the word "EU" from said statutes?

Is that right?

If that is right, then that's akin to a toddler refusing to eat the cutted up pear because it was mummy who cut it up and not daddy. Which takes 'Brexit as a religion' to a whole new level.