Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

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I can just see Boris Johnson saying that the petrol price increases are nothing to do with him. Don't we know there is a war on?

Well, some of my car use isn't strictly necessary I guess. Walking more is good for the health, right? :)

But taking mum to hospital and Dr's appointments are non negotiable. Its 3 buses to the local hospital from here.

Ditto ds1 getting to university.

Dh gets his new EV next week. That should help his fuel bill.

MOT in May. REALLY hope it passes!

I already drive very little as I am wfh, but picking up DD2 from uni is a must as she is disabled.

Fuel prices have gone up at least 5 p since Monday here.

I wouldn't say I drive that far usually but mums had 18 hospital and Dr appointments since mid December which are unavoidable.

Dh doesn't have much of a commute.

Who, in the in the UK media is currently examining the Russian POV on this situation?

Well not the pro-brexit media obviously - try looking further afield? The Guardian perhaps?
Yesterday R4 you and yours had long interview putting forward Russian view, pm has also had multiple interviews over the last week.

Seems a tad odd in hindsight that there were so many "why you should go back to the office" themed threads prior to the invasion.

I've done full WFH for 6 years, brief hiatus back in an office full time in 2021 and now hybrid (which I prefer).

1 of my voluntary roles was never virtual - always public facing even during lockdowns

1 became 100% virtual but is now blended which I like

I much prefer virtual training sessions though

@FrankieStein403

> Who, in the in the UK media is currently examining the Russian POV on this situation?

Well not the pro-brexit media obviously - try looking further afield? The Guardian perhaps?
Yesterday R4 you and yours had long interview putting forward Russian view, pm has also had multiple interviews over the last week.

Yesterday's "You and Yours" programme? any idea where it was in the show?

Was thinking last night that for all the noise going on here. the US managed to turn Vietnam into a beach of bones over 8 plus years with the world quite happy to look on. And they were never going to win that from the off either (which they knew).

It's hard to imagine prosecuting a war to have levels of immorality, but prosecuting a war you know you won't win must surely be a little bit worse ? (

And they were never going to win that from the off either (which they knew).

They may have known, and Harold Wilson may well have known, but the UK Population didn't. We just assumed the USA would win. I recall being a student in the spring of 1972 in a shared house, when someone put the six o clock news on, and an item on Vietnam came up. My friend said: "My God, the American's are losing!"

They may have known, and Harold Wilson may well have known,

I can't recommend the Ken Burns "Vietnam" documentary series highly enough. It's crystal clear than Kennedy knew the US could not win. However they were also cornered into having to back up their own "communism is worse than devil worshipping" rhetoric. Which is a parallel to where Putin finds himself now.

Successive US administrations knew that not only could they not win (so they were simply sending conscripts to die). They couldn't even hold on.

I'd have no problem if Nixon was called a war criminal. Bearing in mind we now know he was certainly a traitor.

Still on the subject of Nixon - my family were in Italy during the summer of 1972 and my brother used to buy an American ex-patriot daily newspaper, no British ones being readily available. This paper was full of the Watergate scandal, which had yet to surface in the British papers. I suppose that's fair enough, it wasn't a British scandal, but it just goes to show how little we often know.

LouiseCollins
Excuse me! If I want to criticise the output of our mass media I damn well will. Who, in the in the UK media is currently examining the Russian POV on this situation?

You said "western media" in your original post that I responded to, not "UK media". For many, those are not synonyms.

It is inaccurate to say no western media or UK media have attempted to go beyond "Putin is bad". If you're looking for them to say "Putin is absolutely right", comments such as those are thin on the ground. Eric Zemmour probably says that, more or less, but he spouts so much vile crap I don't want to know any more.

UK media
The FT has made all articles on Ukraine free to access:
www.ft.com/war-in-ukraine

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/31/putin-russia-eastern-europe-ukraine
inews.co.uk/news/world/what-does-russia-want-from-ukraine-putin-aims-invasion-explained-what-next-1502678
There are videos on YouTube by Economist journalists, like this one (it doesn't explain the underlying causes, but what could happen next, and gives insights into Putin's attitude):

Western media (some may be behind a paywall, it's hard for me to tell)
www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/putins-goals-ukraine-and-their-consequences
www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/us/politics/putin-ukraine.html
www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html
www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2022/03/03/guerre-en-ukraine-est-ce-si-difficile-de-dire-les-choses-comme-elles-sont-un-dictateur-en-mal-de-reconstitution-d-un-empire-perdu-agresse-un-pays-independant_6115972_3232.html (DeepL is your friend here)

@Peregrina

Still on the subject of Nixon - my family were in Italy during the summer of 1972 and my brother used to buy an American ex-patriot daily newspaper, no British ones being readily available. This paper was full of the Watergate scandal, which had yet to surface in the British papers. I suppose that's fair enough, it wasn't a British scandal, but it just goes to show how little we often know.

I'd forgive being ignorant of other countries issues if you are at least up to speed on your own country. Remember we live in a land where fewer than 40% of the adult population know who their own MP is, let alone what party they represent.

@AuldAlliance

LouiseCollins Excuse me! If I want to criticise the output of our mass media I damn well will. Who, in the in the UK media is currently examining the Russian POV on this situation?

You said "western media" in your original post that I responded to, not "UK media". For many, those are not synonyms.

It is inaccurate to say no western media or UK media have attempted to go beyond "Putin is bad". If you're looking for them to say "Putin is absolutely right", comments such as those are thin on the ground. Eric Zemmour probably says that, more or less, but he spouts so much vile crap I don't want to know any more.

UK media
The FT has made all articles on Ukraine free to access:
www.ft.com/war-in-ukraine

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/31/putin-russia-eastern-europe-ukraine
inews.co.uk/news/world/what-does-russia-want-from-ukraine-putin-aims-invasion-explained-what-next-1502678
There are videos on YouTube by Economist journalists, like this one (it doesn't explain the underlying causes, but what could happen next, and gives insights into Putin's attitude):

Western media (some may be behind a paywall, it's hard for me to tell)
www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/putins-goals-ukraine-and-their-consequences
www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/us/politics/putin-ukraine.html
www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html
www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2022/03/03/guerre-en-ukraine-est-ce-si-difficile-de-dire-les-choses-comme-elles-sont-un-dictateur-en-mal-de-reconstitution-d-un-empire-perdu-agresse-un-pays-independant_6115972_3232.html (DeepL is your friend here)

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Sorry.

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I've started watching mare of East town (yes, yes I'm a year behind everyone else...)
But it's a bit bleak 1 episode in :(

I think I've reached peak bleak tbh

It’s not actually that bleak if you stick with it. KW aid v good, but I’m not sure it’s as good as people say.

Who, in the in the UK media is currently examining the Russian POV on this situation?

Squirrels indeed, but to take this at face value - I’d say - well quite. The U.K. media is insular and hampered by vulgar jingoism and distinct lack of linguistic ability. Thus it did not see this situation coming, which has been brewing since at least 2014/15.

@TatianaBis

It’s not actually that bleak if you stick with it. KW aid v good, but I’m not sure it’s as good as people say.

It seems fairly obvious whodunit tbf

That’s how they all go these days and then it’s someone random you’d least expect.

It better not be sons random who walked past shot in a bar in the 1st episode

I hate that

No story, character development...pah

I must be really behind, haven't watched Mare of Easttown and have only just started watching Succession

I tried succession....

Just couldn't watch those awful characters. Not a redeeming feature between them.

Didn't get far with the sopranos or breaking bad either