Brexit mega thread part 5 : new year new PM? Partygate continues...

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@DrBlackbird

God Alexandra that would take distraction strategies to a new level. Russia is not the Falklands. Let’s just not suggest it or go there.

Why? i wouldn't anything past him.... "Pile the bodies High Boris"

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Forgive my ignorance, is freight traffic at Dover being held up because of checks in order to enter EU under the EU/UK Trade Agreement? Do British Customs undertake this, and if so, why does the delay appear to be only at Dover, there are many other departure ports to EU from Britain.

Inwards traffic does not seem to be so affected, presumably because UK has not imposed inward checks yet. What happens if that doesn't happen? Nothing?

I am just dipping my toe in the water here, and realise regular posters to this thread know far more than I do about all this, so apologies if I am mistaken and speaking from a point of ignorance.

I enjoy reading the comments so much. I am in ROI and am fascinated by the way your politics works, and obviously have a huge interest in the progression or otherwise of Brexit.

As DGR said above, ROI has massively invested in alternative routes to mainland Europe now, by passing the port of Holyhead mostly. Clever move I think, although the landbridge was great when it worked pre Brexit.

Thank you from a lurker.

As DGR said above, ROI has massively invested in alternative routes to mainland Europe now, by passing the port of Holyhead mostly. Clever move I think, although the landbridge was great when it worked pre Brexit.

On another thread I posted that I have only just learned about "famine roads". And this is despite being a voracious history nerd.

For all the evil England has done Ireland, it warms my cockles that finally the English people are getting a taste (albeit tiny) of what it's like to be shat on by a privileged class. And ny Brexiteers reading can shove that in their blue passports and fuck off to somewhere that wants to hear "sovereignty innit ?" 1,000 times a day. Maybe Russia. They're quite keen on it at the moment.

For all the evil England has done Ireland, it warms my cockles that finally the English people are getting a taste (albeit tiny) of what it's like to be shat on by a privileged class.

Except of course, Holyhead or Caergybi is in Wales. I know that Wales voted Leave but I believe that was mostly the English incomers fault. The ones who don't realise it's a separate country.

Now I used to live there myself as an English incomer, but we "went native", so that didn't count.

The A55 used to heave with Irish Lorries going to and from the boats - and it saddens me, because it's been a poor area for a long time and will only get worse.

Roll on Independence. You think that's a joke? 50 years ago Scottish Independence seemed like a joke - it's not now.

@codexa

Forgive my ignorance, is freight traffic at Dover being held up because of checks in order to enter EU under the EU/UK Trade Agreement? Do British Customs undertake this, and if so, why does the delay appear to be only at Dover, there are many other departure ports to EU from Britain.

Inwards traffic does not seem to be so affected, presumably because UK has not imposed inward checks yet. What happens if that doesn't happen? Nothing?

I am just dipping my toe in the water here, and realise regular posters to this thread know far more than I do about all this, so apologies if I am mistaken and speaking from a point of ignorance.

I enjoy reading the comments so much. I am in ROI and am fascinated by the way your politics works, and obviously have a huge interest in the progression or otherwise of Brexit.

As DGR said above, ROI has massively invested in alternative routes to mainland Europe now, by passing the port of Holyhead mostly. Clever move I think, although the landbridge was great when it worked pre Brexit.

Thank you from a lurker.

The customs checks to enter the EU are carried out in Dover by French customs, in a reciprocal arrangement British customs carry out checks in France. There are two basic reasons why delays affect Dover more, it is busier than other ports and has less space being built mainly on reclaimed land.

@DGRossetti

As DGR said above, ROI has massively invested in alternative routes to mainland Europe now, by passing the port of Holyhead mostly. Clever move I think, although the landbridge was great when it worked pre Brexit.

On another thread I posted that I have only just learned about "famine roads". And this is despite being a voracious history nerd.

For all the evil England has done Ireland, it warms my cockles that finally the English people are getting a taste (albeit tiny) of what it's like to be shat on by a privileged class. And ny Brexiteers reading can shove that in their blue passports and fuck off to somewhere that wants to hear "sovereignty innit ?" 1,000 times a day. Maybe Russia. They're quite keen on it at the moment.

Would you mind linking the thread you mention above? My OH family come from a very rural part of the North West, not too far from Sligo. Lovely part of the country. The hinterland has the remains of many a workhouse and also famine graveyards, which are beautifully cared for by the locals and are a testament to terrible times.

Thanks for the information @jgw1.

And there are also massice queues approaching Calais...

*massive

We need more potted plants in Government.

Remember this one? Probably wouldn’t do a worse job than the current lot

The A55 used to heave with Irish Lorries going to and from the boats - and it saddens me, because it's been a poor area for a long time and will only get worse

Not convinced that the traffic did anything for North Wales - my memory is of the wagons piling off the big overnight and not stopping until warrington at the earliest.

Reduction in hgv traffic can only make the A55 more attractive to tourist traffic - at least those bring spend to North Wales rather than potholes.

Perhaps a real brexit bonus at last.

May I recommend Russ Jones #weekinTory?

Some superb descriptions including "emotional support turbot".

twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1485270354939494402?s=20

When a clown moves into a palace, he does not become a king. The palace becomes a circus.

[quote TheABC]May I recommend Russ Jones #weekinTory?

Some superb descriptions including "emotional support turbot".

twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1485270354939494402?s=20[/quote]
Do we laugh or cry?!

@codexa, the famine roads were built during the famine of 1845-47 and afterwards during times of rural distress in the 19th century.

They were not strictly necessary public works whose purpose was to provide work to starving peasants. It was necessary for the starving peasants to work because -
(1) there was a very persistent idea in Britain that the Irish peasants were lazy and feckless, and
(2) giving them food would only encourage them to be lazy and feckless.
You can recognize the famine roads by their location in poor, often hilly or boggy rural areas and by their straightness. They were designed by drawing a straight line between two points on a map. As well as roads, the peasants were sometimes obliged to break stones and build dry stone walls straight up hills. These walls can also be seen today.

There is another 'cotton famine' road paved with setts in Rooley Moor near Rochdale in the early 1860s by cotton mill workers who had no work because the mills were affected by the American civil war. Again, there was no possibility of just feeding them or their families.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0013fc4/digging-for-britain-series-9-episode-6

36 minutes in.

The most poignant thing is in excavating the road they found fuck all. The people digging it were so poor they left absolutely nothing - not even a shirt button - behind.

Bearing in mind I know where "Tory" comes from, I was profoundly upset by my own ignorance here. Unlike Brexiteers, I don't like not knowing facts. Now I have learned. A little.

@codexa

Would you mind linking the thread you mention above?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4460728-Ed-Sec-Sir-Gav-threatened-MP-with-school-loss-if-he-voted-to-feed-poor-kids

F$$king Brexit supporting arseholes, just about to place an order for bicycle parts not available in UK only to be told 20% will be added for customs duties plus parts may be held by UK authorities.

Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be on trial for what they done to the UK...

@Alexandra2001

F$$king Brexit supporting arseholes, just about to place an order for bicycle parts not available in UK only to be told 20% will be added for customs duties plus parts may be held by UK authorities.

Cameron, Farage and Johnson should be on trial for what they done to the UK...

See also: wheelchair spares.

The BoE has calculated how much Brexit has cost.
Over £440m in lost growth PER WEEK.

Alternative uses for that sum:

71 new hospitals.
5,576,242 new nurses.
8550 new trains.

twitter.com/CharlesTannock/status/1485332214284009474?s=20

[quote AuldAlliance]The BoE has calculated how much Brexit has cost.
Over £440m in lost growth PER WEEK.

Alternative uses for that sum:

71 new hospitals.
5,576,242 new nurses.
8550 new trains.

twitter.com/CharlesTannock/status/1485332214284009474?s=20[/quote]
Just remember: many Brexiteers are still very happy for you to be paying that so they see fewer brown faces.

Just seen a zinger slapdown in a business discussion.

I could agree with you. But then we'd both be wrong

It's not just brown faces either, is it? It's also 'not having to hear people speaking forrin on the street' and 'not having those forrin shops selling forrin muck'.

Xenophobia was always rampant in the UK, sadly.

@pointythings

It's not just brown faces either, is it? It's also 'not having to hear people speaking forrin on the street' and 'not having those forrin shops selling forrin muck'.

Xenophobia was always rampant in the UK, sadly.

I think you mean "England" ?

I think you mean "England" ?

You're quite right, apologies.

I'm not even sure it's xenophobia. The rabid leavers I know don't particularly dislike foreigners, they dislike everyone often including their own families.