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Brexit mega thread part 5 : new year new PM? Partygate continues...

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Opal8 · 14/01/2022 09:02

Morning

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Peregrina · 22/01/2022 14:22

Why should Wakefield resign? Constituents supposedly vote for an individual. In practice, we know they don't and that pigs with blue rosettes would get themselves elected.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 22/01/2022 14:27

I see the papers are saying they expect De Spaffle to only publish a partial version of the Sue Gray report. Leaving out the bits that implicate him. Will that be accepted by his backbenchers?

Peregrina · 22/01/2022 14:47

Meanwhile the queues in Kent are nothing to do with Brexit but a spike in traffic.

I would have thought it relatively easy to look at traffic flows over the past 5 years so before and after Covid to see whether there is significantly more than there was five years ago.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2022 15:11

I suspect an awful lot of "Tory voters" who post, aren't really.

Voters, that is.

Someone has to be in that 30%

When I was at 6th form, and we had mock elections, the Young Conservative candidate was crushed that - despite high polling - they came bottom (below the "Frankie Says" party).

As they said at the time "It's almost like people lied about voting for me"

We all know about shy Tories. But there must be a word for the reverse.

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2022 20:20

So do we believe that it looks like checkmate for the prime minister?

Worrying isn’t it when Steve Baker comes across as reasonable in an interview!

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Opal8 · 22/01/2022 20:27

I'm sorry to say no

Unless DC releases more damaging info and that recording of the chief whip gets aired but even then I'm not sure....

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DuncinToffee · 22/01/2022 20:28

Steve Baker has just tweeted his support for Nus Ghani as well

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2022 20:30

The support of Nus Ghani is because of the Times article

EXCLUSIVE: A Conservative MP has accused a party whip of telling her she was fired from her ministerial job because her Muslim faith was “making colleagues uncomfortable” t.co/5ppNltXtDh

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2022 21:53

So of course the queues in Dover are due to a spike in freight traffic and not, absolutely not, due to Brexit. 🙄

DuncinToffee · 22/01/2022 21:55

Must be all those temporary visas Wink

DrBlackbird · 22/01/2022 22:11

Yep all those long haul drivers who rushed to come over. Not sure that sitting there waiting to go home will encourage anyone to come back.

Alexandra2001 · 23/01/2022 07:47

@BringBackCoffeeCreams

I see the papers are saying they expect De Spaffle to only publish a partial version of the Sue Gray report. Leaving out the bits that implicate him. Will that be accepted by his backbenchers?
He wont get away with that but.....

I think his plan is to ramp up the tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

DrBlackbird · 23/01/2022 09:26

God Alexandra that would take distraction strategies to a new level. Russia is not the Falklands. Let’s just not suggest it or go there.

DGRossetti · 23/01/2022 09:49

I think his plan is to ramp up the tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

On the thread about "worried about war" I slipped in for googles sake the idea Boris was a Russian mole. When challenged for evidence I simple commented he seems to do far more for Russia than the UK.

Nobody seemed to argue with that.

On a less flippant note, trying to play tough over Ukraine would risk the UK and EU being compared. Again. And geographically and politically this is much more an EU matter than the UKs. All we're doing is looking after Russias money for them. The equivalent of holding a bullies coat while they duff someone up.

borntobequiet · 23/01/2022 09:53

I think the distraction stuff is already happening. BBC News channel broadcast the Sergei Lavrov press conference in full yesterday, right through the midday news slot. They normally cut away, especially if it’s the “other side” speaking, coming back with clips and analysis later. In fact the only analysis was, preliminary meeting, nothing to say, will wait for US response.
But there was no time for pictures of lorry queues outside Do er.

borntobequiet · 23/01/2022 09:53

Dover

DGRossetti · 23/01/2022 10:14

@DrBlackbird

So of course the queues in Dover are due to a spike in freight traffic and not, absolutely not, due to Brexit. 🙄
If the lorries are leaving at a slower rate than arriving, even a potted plant can work out what is going to happen.

What is happening is that hauliers are being taught the hard way that the UK is closing shop and they'd best find alternative routes. Which all incoming data suggests is happening. Irish eyes are smiling (again).

DGRossetti · 23/01/2022 16:18

from ..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60100525

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He said the accusations were "completely false and defamatory" and denied ever using the words Ms Ghani had alleged.

The courts are thataway --->

Mr Spencer went on to say it was "disappointing" that at the time she had declined to refer the matter for a formal Conservative Party investigation.

Quite aside from not having any faith whatsoever in the process, I imagine they are rushed off their feet at the moment.

...

DuncinToffee · 23/01/2022 16:25

Nus Ghani's response to that

twitter.com/nus_ghani/status/1485259972430774274?s=21

borntobequiet · 23/01/2022 16:25

even a potted plant can work out what is going to happen

We need more potted plants in Government.

borntobequiet · 23/01/2022 16:29

Having got over it’s fascination with Russian news conferences, BBC News (on the News Channel, I only watch the BBC in the gym) was reporting that Nus Ghani had been told that if she went down the formal route she would be ostracised.

I wonder who told her that?

borntobequiet · 23/01/2022 16:29

Its not it’s. Bloody autocorrect

jgw1 · 23/01/2022 16:33

@DGRossetti

from ..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60100525

...

He said the accusations were "completely false and defamatory" and denied ever using the words Ms Ghani had alleged.

The courts are thataway --->

Mr Spencer went on to say it was "disappointing" that at the time she had declined to refer the matter for a formal Conservative Party investigation.

Quite aside from not having any faith whatsoever in the process, I imagine they are rushed off their feet at the moment.

...

I can't imagine why she would have no faith in a process the judge of which is a Prime Minister, who continues to support the Home Secretary who was found to be a bully, who bent over backwards and made all but the most stubborn of his MPs look daft in the defence of a corrupt MP.
DGRossetti · 23/01/2022 16:38

Of course Nus Ghani's credibility is a little dodgy ... after all she decided that being in a political party that was home to Boris Johnson was a natural place for her. So my sympathies are not quite as deep as they may otherwise be.

A little like the idiots who voted Tory and are now upset. More fool them.

Also, if you are interested in human rights; well promoting them rather than removing them; maybe the Tory party isn't for you ?

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 23/01/2022 17:17

'I believed implicitly that it was a work event'

So what's your excuse for the party, in your private flat with you wife and her mates also in the middle of lockdown then? Was that a 'work event' too? Looks like Sue Gray has uncovered evidence of this party too.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/partygate-sue-gray-inquiry-no10-b1998767.html