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Brexit mega thread part 5 : new year new PM? Partygate continues...

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Opal8 · 14/01/2022 09:02

Morning

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jgw1 · 19/01/2022 11:41

[quote DuncinToffee]Sunak probably didn't want questions about the Treasury writing off £4.3bn in COVID payments stolen by fraudsters

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/treasury-writes-43bn-public-cash-25968971[/quote]
Is that the same as the grossly inflated prices and resulting profits some companies (mates with ministers) made supplying PPE or is this another fraud?

DuncinToffee · 19/01/2022 11:49

Who knows

DuncinToffee · 19/01/2022 11:51

Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour Party

DuncinToffee · 19/01/2022 12:00

.@Keir_Starmer: “I would like to welcome Christian to the Labour Party. He has always put the people of Burt South first. As Christian said, the policies of the Con govt are doing nothing to help the people of Bury South and indeed are only making the struggles they face worse.”

TheABC · 19/01/2022 15:12

"In the name of God - go!"
Sounds like there's a lot of exasperation in the Tory party over Johnson's conduct. Whether that translates into no-confidence letters is another question.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2022 15:28

@TheABC

"In the name of God - go!" Sounds like there's a lot of exasperation in the Tory party over Johnson's conduct. Whether that translates into no-confidence letters is another question.
The BBC keeps repeating that MPs can send Brady a single message without any of their staff knowing. Also he may well be holding letters (messages) from last year.
borntobequiet · 19/01/2022 18:49

Reported on the BBC earlier - caught it on the fly - that it was the behaviour of Ministers that provoked the Red Wall MPs to coalesce as a group.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2022 19:24

@borntobequiet

Reported on the BBC earlier - caught it on the fly - that it was the behaviour of Ministers that provoked the Red Wall MPs to coalesce as a group.
So, TL;DR somebody elses fault ?

Let's wait till May.

HannibalHeyes · 19/01/2022 21:01

I could see de Spaffle thinking like this...

Brexit mega thread part 5 : new year  new PM? Partygate continues...
mathanxiety · 20/01/2022 04:42

Fashionably late, but I brought a suitcase of plonk so please forgive me Smile

DrBlackbird · 20/01/2022 08:29

Tory MP for Bury South is defecting to the Labour Party

First time that I’ve felt mildly sorry for a Tory MP. Realises that the Tory party is never going to make good on ‘levelling up’ so defects hoping for better from Labour. But will be defeated in the next election as his constituents determinedly vote Tory again like lemmings heading for that cliff.

As another aside, is anyone experiencing deja Vu with all covid restrictions off as of today? It’s freedom day all over again. That went so well for us then so it’s sure to be fiiinnne again. No more folks getting hospitalised or dying and absolutely no risk of another variant.

It’s got a kind of North Korean flavour to it with Johnson and Co determinedly pretending all is good in the sunny uplands of post Brexit post Covid Britain.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2022 08:35

I see sympathy for Boris new (which one ?) baby having covid is in short supply - even on this site.

DuncinToffee · 20/01/2022 08:40

Local Labour people have mixed feelings too

One told Lewis Goodall “I want a Labour MP in Bury South. One that shows up to vote for children to be fed. Labour stepped up, Rashford stepped up, Wakeford did not.”
Another said 'it’s a tough pill to swallow “for a CLP which has spent years campaigning against him.”

But hurray for Freedom Day the sequel

Peregrina · 20/01/2022 08:57

I recall when Cameron's predecessor in Witney defected to New Labour. I am not sure whether he got booted out, or whether he just chose to find a safe Labour seat. Either way, it didn't turn out well for either him or the country.

So I think Bury South Labour might well chose someone else for the candidate next time.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2022 09:37

Incidentally, does anyone else think the Govester has been very quiet these past few days ?

DuncinToffee · 20/01/2022 10:30

Now you mention it, he has gone very quiet

Anything to do with this?

BREAKING: Con MP William Wragg accuses No10 of intimidation & breaching ministerial code by threatening to withdraw money from constituencies/leak stories abt rebels. Urges them to go to Police/Parly authorities
"The reports of which I'm aware would seem to constitute blackmail”

jgw1 · 20/01/2022 11:17

@DGRossetti

Incidentally, does anyone else think the Govester has been very quiet these past few days ?
I was thinking that Hunt had been conspicuously quiet as well.
Opal8 · 20/01/2022 11:32

Gove and Hunt

Mark my words

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Opal8 · 20/01/2022 11:33

@DuncinToffee

Now you mention it, he has gone very quiet

Anything to do with this?

BREAKING: Con MP William Wragg accuses No10 of intimidation & breaching ministerial code by threatening to withdraw money from constituencies/leak stories abt rebels. Urges them to go to Police/Parly authorities
"The reports of which I'm aware would seem to constitute blackmail”

Horrific.

I think DC still has info...I'm expecting more from him tomorrow/this weekend

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DrBlackbird · 20/01/2022 11:34

Both trying to keep their powder dry. Hunt has no chance though being both one of the semi sensible Tory MPs (the bar keeps dropping ever lower) and a remainer (see first point against him). Govester… delusions of grandeur mate. No one likes you and those dodgy dance photos an absolute boon for Labour. If they were ruthless enough to use them.

LouiseCollins28 · 20/01/2022 11:48

@Opal8

Gove and Hunt

Mark my words

Think you may be on to something there. Truss abroad as well and not much heard from Sunak either. One more thought, did anyone else think the Javid 5pm briefing opening yesterday sounded a bit like a trial leadership pitch?
DGRossetti · 20/01/2022 11:48

I'm trying very hard not to imagine a media campaign to push Gove and Hunt as a "dream team". Mainly because it's not far off lunch and I want an appetite.

I'm trying to picture the scenes at the moment. Somehow I feel team Boris are doing the headless chickens thing, but the man himself is probably bumbling along just expecting it to "be sorted" like everything else in his life has been.

There needs to come a point where the people who would have supported Boris if he were allowed to stand after losing a NC vote have started to indicate their second choice, so to speak.

If DC is sticking to his master plan, all of this is not a personal attack on Boris (and it's interesting to remove that idea) but a sustained attack on a Tory party he detests as part of a system he detests.

Boris is just the one who was stupid enough to put his hand up when the call for a useful idiot went out.

All idle speculation, of course. But I can't imagine the Tory party is any stranger to the suspicion and paranoia at the moment. Which is why it's such fun to peddle ideas about Brexit being a shambles (even the Telegraph agrees on that) because the Tories are riddled with closet remainers.

For example it's hard to argue that Mark Francois isn't anything but a deep planted remainer whose mission was to make Brexiteers look like complete tits in the public eye. You might have tried to argue it, but when he goes to the drama of self-publishing his "banned" book (which pretty much guaranteed it's appalling prose would be subject to ridicule) then it's pretty much a slam-dunk case closed.

DuncinToffee · 20/01/2022 11:57

Mark Francois, I give you Michael Fabricant

If I reported every time I had been threatened by a Whip or if a Whip reported every time I had threatened them, the police wouldn’t have any time to conduct any other police work! What nonsense from WW.

DGRossetti · 20/01/2022 12:08

Mark Francois, I give you Michael Fabricant

Is it too late for a refund ?

jgw1 · 20/01/2022 12:12

@DrBlackbird

Both trying to keep their powder dry. Hunt has no chance though being both one of the semi sensible Tory MPs (the bar keeps dropping ever lower) and a remainer (see first point against him). Govester… delusions of grandeur mate. No one likes you and those dodgy dance photos an absolute boon for Labour. If they were ruthless enough to use them.
Hunt has the advantage he is not currently in the government and can point to some criticisms he has made of the current shower in his role as select committee chairman.

But he was Health and Social Care secretary for many years, so carries significant responsibility for the underfunding of social care, the NHS and lack of planning for a pandemic.