Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

[prettybird]

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally ), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

Tomorrow's Manchester Evening News.
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[quote DuncinToffee]Tomorrow's Manchester Evening News.
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The thing is the north is full of labour voters so why would Boris and his chums care what they think?

Many moons ago, Manchester was going to get the Eurostar, there was even a big rail shed with Eurostar on the side.

The thing is the north is full of labour voters so why would Boris and his chums care what they think?

They are clever with that, they give a higher proportion of government money to Conservative voting areas so their voters don't realise how what a mess they have got the country into and stop voting for them.

The Eurostar was supposed to come to Glasgow. There was even a waiting room built for it. It was passed and funded on the basis that it was going to be national infrastructure

It could be that they have cancelled the HS2 extension because they don't know where Leeds is.

A Brexit benefit - no more in London will we be delayed by large groups of french school kids - and all the tourist attractions & hotels didn’t want their money anyway!

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I used to live in a top tourist spot of great cultural repute.
Troupes of French schoolchildren used to traipse round the town every Easter, their only comment being “degueulasse!” at every sight. They weren’t impressed by anything but did deign to eat in MacDonalds.

[quote Eve]A Brexit benefit - no more in London will we be delayed by large groups of french school kids - and all the tourist attractions & hotels didn’t want their money anyway!

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This is really sad. We are so impoverished by bullsh*t Brexit.

Oh wait. One sunlit uplands is hearing that Shell is moving its HQ to the UK. Obviously this move cannot be due to anything other than a vote of confidence in the post Brexit economy.

prettybird It's a shame about Eurostar and it will be a shame if they screw up HS2 too.

Improverished by having fewer EU schoolchildren here on jollies? Yeah, no.
In what universe is a major international corp moving its HQ to the UK not a benefit? . Pleased by this.

The universe where we are actually paying the major international company and the one where we are attractive because of lower environmental standards.

Shell are just doing it to dodge tax, and emissions targets.

I think it was a former chair of HS2 who said a long time ago that they should have started to build it from the North (both Leeds and Manchester), as otherwise they'd never get round to "finishing" it.

Who knew?

@HarrietPierce

Shell are just doing it to dodge tax, and emissions targets.

Indeed. It's pretty tragic the way Brexiters are clinging to the few, paltry instances of companies moving to the UK, while wilfully ignoring the hundreds who have moved their businesses out. And then you find out it's for tax reasons and lower emissions targets. And on the very day following COP26, that is pretty bloody sad.

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Tourism is so fucked. We have a government which hates us.

[quote Eve]A Brexit benefit - no more in London will we be delayed by large groups of french school kids - and all the tourist attractions & hotels didn’t want their money anyway!

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Good, we especially don't want foreign children coming here and polluting our tourist attractions.

It's ever more clear that the only driver for most Brexit idiots is racism.

That's the button that Farage and his fellow scumbags pressed, all the rest is noise.

It's not foreign children the Government don't want, just European ones. Don't forget that they think we are a Pacific nation.The trouble is that children of those Pacific nations which interest them, namely from Australia and New Zealand, don't need to come here to learn English. Japanese children who wish to learn English would probably prefer to go to the USA.

@LouiseCollins28

Improverished by having fewer EU schoolchildren here on jollies? Yeah, no. In what universe is a major international corp moving its HQ to the UK not a benefit? . Pleased by this.

Actually yes, you are being impoverished by having fewer EU schoolchildren learning about British culture and loving that culture from early age.

One of the things the British have been very successful at is selling "Britishness" to the rest to the world thru TV programs, bands touring, school children, and adults, visiting Britain and tourist attractions, it's made Britain familiar and loved by the rest of Europe.

The effect of that loss is not going to be felt tomorrow or the day after, it's going to impact Britain in 10-20 years time when the affection for your culture will disappear along with the touring bands, European workers, and school kids on a two day visit to London.

I live near a tourist hot spot, which used to be attractive to young foreign students - French in particular. At least one of the language schools gone bust, which is a combination of Covid and Brexit. Additionally, a lot of people used to rent out spare rooms for the summer to the language schools, which was a nice little earner for them. So that source of income has dried up for locals. Maybe they can compensate with Air BnB!

Tax dodging companies moving here - bring it on. Well that is the standard we can expect from Brexiters.

I'm really confused. Is it that a couple of B Johnson's pals are making money out of the UK going bust?
Or is it a kind of purity spiral - now that Brexit's "done" the Brexiters have moved on to a kind of ideological hatred of anyone from the EU, and want to make it very hard for any of them to touch our shores?
Brexit is costing me much of my livelihood.
The cost to the UK of all this crap will be so high. Our reputation and our economy trashed by one generation of politicians.

Certainly the Brexiters seem to have developed a hatred of anything EU - except for the ones who have second homes in France or Spain, of course.

The 'soft power' that we had has been completely trashed as you say.

I genuinely do think that the leading Brexiters were in the main so ignorant that they really did think that the rest of the world would come running in to do trade deals, and were decidely miffed when Obama told them they would have been at the back of the queue, but they didn't take the hint and realise that if it was the case with the USA it would have been for other countries. And the Trump won, so they all breathed a sigh of relief. Others, the Britannia unchained lot, just want to make as much money for themselves as possible - and have no loyalty to anything but that God.