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Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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vera99 · 07/10/2021 21:36

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

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Notonthestairs · 09/10/2021 12:25

Not sure how much more Brexity Theresa May & David Davis could have been.

vera99 · 09/10/2021 12:33

Mail screaming PANIC .... 'Senior Tories have been spotted panic buying'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10075283/Shelves-UK-supply-chain-crisis-leaves-Britons-claiming-unable-buy-food.html

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Lonelycrab · 09/10/2021 12:34

There was a time when the conservatives realised that a healthy economy paid the bills of the country but they're not conservatives

I’ve said it before but this lot aren’t really conservatives; it’s really UKIP in the hollowed out husk that used to be the Tory party. A one trick pony that’s done it’s trick. All that’s left to offer is excuses, deflection and whataboutery.

DrBlackbird · 09/10/2021 12:35

@Brindle88

I imagine gov.uk is full of E. coli.
Grin
vera99 · 09/10/2021 12:35

The Mail in that article links to a spoof article in the FT about senior tories and then reprints it as truth. WTAF.

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DuncinToffee · 09/10/2021 12:41

@vera99

The Mail in that article links to a spoof article in the FT about senior tories and then reprints it as truth. WTAF.
It's the FT article I linked to earlier. I closed it and now it's behind paywall but it was funny Grin
vera99 · 09/10/2021 12:48

Boris Johnson has urged Tory MPs to hold their nerve as fears over supply shortages rise up the political agenda and ministers worry that the party may run short of excuses by Christmas. Several top party figures have been spotted panic-buying explanations, while others were seen queueing for hours amid reports of emergency supplies of mitigation.

The prime minister is under intense political pressure to relax border controls so that cheap European excuses can be rushed into the country before the situation deteriorates. He has tweaked the immigration rules to allow another 5,000 visas for EU justifications, but many major excuse-producers say it is not worth their while for such a short timeframe.

Meanwhile, Labour leader Keir Starmer has said 100,000 European excuses should be allowed in to get the government through Christmas. Even so, ministers have found themselves relying heavily on the “things are just as bad in Europe” defence.

Johnson is hanging tough, saying that some Brexit turbulence was inevitable and this is all part of his plan to turn Britain into a high-skill, high-excuse nation. Meanwhile, Tory strategists are secretly delighted with Labour’s demand, which they see as a tactical error that can be exploited to suggest the opposition lacks the patriotism to believe in Britain’s ability to produce its own excuses. The PM has instructed colleagues to stay strong and not give in to the doomsters and gloomsters.

“I believe that this proud nation can produce world-beating exculpations if we just back ourselves to do so,’’ he told the Conservative party conference this week. “We’ve been blagging our way out of trouble since the Treaty of Breda.”

Johnson believes that after centuries as a global excuse powerhouse, the Conservatives have become too reliant on importing low-cost eastern European alibis, as membership of the EU offered ministers the ready argument that it was all Brussels’ fault. He feels businesses and politicians need to get used to paying a little more for great British pretexts.

The PM is said to be very pleased with the way a number of his colleagues have already risen to the challenge with some imaginative solutions, which include a sudden government concern for the working conditions of hauliers. Others are making greater use of frozen excuses, which can be utilised later in the year when plausible explanations are running low. One minister has bought a freezer full of frozen Polish arguments to be deployed, should the government face a turkey shortage at Christmas.

In Manchester, Conservatives were queueing round the block to blame tight-fisted businesses for the supply shortage but Johnson has urged MPs not to stock up on get-outs, saying there are more than enough to go around if people keep their heads. Even so, ministers are worried that stocks of finger-pointing may be rapidly depleted if they are not used more sparingly.

Earlier this week came more bad news, when it emerged that a number of key policy announcements that might have distracted voters had not been delivered to the party conference and were still stuck in a depot due to a lack of drivers. The army has been placed on standby to deliver life-saving, headline-grabbing news if shortages do not ease.

One MP said a major shortage of excuses could be the last straw for the public’s patience: “They can understand we have had a pandemic and they can understand the odd supply issue, but if we have no decent lines to give them about why it isn’t our fault that could lead to a major crisis of confidence.”

Johnson is facing growing calls for a minister for alibis or an excuses task force to spur production. Several old excuses may also be called out of retirement on very attractive salary packages to fill in the gaps temporarily.

There will also be a new emphasis on levelling up. Tories argue that too many justifications are still produced in the south of England, where they are also dominated by metropolitan elite views, when a dose of down-to-earth northern reassurance might be more effective.

Ministers are committing to a new skills agenda that will see hundreds of millions of pounds spent on upskilling young people in the north so that they can produce their own local excuse champions. There is also a drive ahead of the COP26 conference to develop new green excuses so that Britain can lead the world in environmentally friendly evasion.

Johnson remains confident that the government is entering its delivery phase. It’s just that the schedule may be open to last-minute changes.

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prettybird · 09/10/2021 12:51

For future reference, it may or may not be the case that Googling the exact title of an FT article will get behind the paywall. Wink

vera99 · 09/10/2021 12:53

Or use fiendish tools that I have on my desktop that if I link gets an instant hide post from MNHQ - one can even read the Times!

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DrBlackbird · 09/10/2021 12:57

Between June 2016 and 31 Jan 2020, businesses, citizens and organsations of every shape and size had 3.5 years to prepare for Brexit, if they couldn't progress towards the new situation in that time, that's largely on them IMO

But Louise whilst I appreciate an actual answer. That particular statement is disingenuous and/or a convenient deflection from the laziness of both Tory cabinets.

MPs only voted on 30th Dec 2020 for a deal going into force 1st January 2021.

Business were crying out for the UK Government to a) tell them what new documents were required and b) put in place the actual systems, vets, people, IT, forms etc that were required to continue trading/selling to the EU. Business didn’t get to decide themselves…

EU governments had everything ready to go for something they didn’t want, but neither May nor Johnson’s government put any bloody thing in place. That is fully and wholly on them. It’s depressing it really is that an intelligent poster such as yourself chooses to ignore this.

DuncinToffee · 09/10/2021 13:06

Thanks Vera and prettybird

vera99 · 09/10/2021 13:06

A deal so rushed and not subject to scrutiny that it's coming apart at the seams worryingly so in the case of the NI Protocol. Of course, the Brexitters argument is that remainers spent years frustrating the will of the people that the blame for errors lies at their door. Remind me what business has Johnson ever run one only has to look at his various marriages and affairs to know what a sleazy excuse for a man he is.

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wewereliars · 09/10/2021 13:11

Louisecollins It is totally disingenous to say that businesses have failed to prepare. And Covid, which has also been criminally mis handled by this excuse for a government, is not a reason.

The rest of mainland Europe are also battling Covid but have not wrecked their supply chains so still have normal access to fuel, food and no raw waste in their rivers and seas.

I have read countless stories of businesses over the last 2 years or so requesting help from the government in terms of necessary declarations, processes and forms post brexit and no guidance even existed.

There were however plenty of threats to business of no future government contracts if any anti brexit sentiment was expressed,which is why so many remained quiet.

Haven't we heard enough lies by now?

Governments exist to facilitate the functioning of a country through infrastructure and the to ensure security of its population. We do not have a government, we have a cabal of corrupt nihilists.

wewereliars · 09/10/2021 13:23

Thanks Vera, a little levity in the darkness!

AuldAlliance · 09/10/2021 13:24

The UK gvmt had time to recruit and train new customs officers, to deal with whatever the new paperwork might be once it was known. Whatever the nature of that paperwork (which businesses weren't informed of until the last minute; they then couldn't access gvmt helplines to obtain information on how to complete it...), it was clear it would exist, be time consuming and that more staff would be needed.

The UK gvmt didn't recruit more staff, or increase the number of customs booths, access corridors, etc. at ports.

Their counterparts over the Channel did.

Hard to see how anyone else but the UK gvmt is to blame there.

LouiseCollins28 · 09/10/2021 13:29

@DrBlackbird

Between June 2016 and 31 Jan 2020, businesses, citizens and organsations of every shape and size had 3.5 years to prepare for Brexit, if they couldn't progress towards the new situation in that time, that's largely on them IMO

But Louise whilst I appreciate an actual answer. That particular statement is disingenuous and/or a convenient deflection from the laziness of both Tory cabinets.

MPs only voted on 30th Dec 2020 for a deal going into force 1st January 2021.

Business were crying out for the UK Government to a) tell them what new documents were required and b) put in place the actual systems, vets, people, IT, forms etc that were required to continue trading/selling to the EU. Business didn’t get to decide themselves…

EU governments had everything ready to go for something they didn’t want, but neither May nor Johnson’s government put any bloody thing in place. That is fully and wholly on them. It’s depressing it really is that an intelligent poster such as yourself chooses to ignore this.

Fair enough, I can acknowledge that. Having different iterations of "Deal" which kept being rejected by a Parliament unwilling to say what it would support on even an indicative basis for sure made things more difficult.

In that circumstance, surely the most prudent thing to do is to plan for the worst possible outcome, which from the POV of businesses we were repeatedly told was "No Deal". I agree there 2, btw "No Deal" would have been a worst possible outcome, so you plan for that and anything other than that is then a benefit over what you've planned for.

vera99 · 09/10/2021 13:31

Fail to plan plan to fail. The delusion required to believe this shitshow is progress is really something for an educated mind I'll give you that.

Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot
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wewereliars · 09/10/2021 13:36

So in the event of a no deal brexit Louise Collins, what should a UK supplier of cheese to say Antwerp have done, and when ?

vera99 · 09/10/2021 13:39

I'm out scavenging in the Brexit wildlands of Welling to bring back pics of closed fuel stations and empty shelves for my burgeoning twitter following ....

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Clavinova · 09/10/2021 13:39

The rest of mainland Europe are also battling Covid but have not wrecked their supply chains so still have normal access to fuel, food and no raw waste in their rivers and seas.

No recent cat pics, so here is a sunlit upland in southern France...

Not in Marseilles then?

8 October
French police sought to avert an ecological disaster yesterday by ordering striking binmen to clear at least 3,000 tonnes of rubbish that is at risk of being blown into the Mediterranean.

Refuse collectors in Marseilles began industrial action last month in protest at being told to work more than their usual 21-hour week.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rubbish-fills-streets-as-french-binmen-demand-21-hour-week-hmndw7w3g

www.aa.com.tr/en/environment/marseille-filled-with-garbage-as-collectors-in-french-city-continue-strike/2379747

Strikes are planned today (October 5) across France, in protest at issues such as rising energy prices, changing rules for unemployment and retirement benefits, and reduced spending power.

Multiple unions including the CGT, FO, Solidaires, FSU, Fidl, MNL, Unef and UNL will participate.

www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-national-strike-today-Which-services-are-affected

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 09/10/2021 13:43

@DrBlackbird

Between June 2016 and 31 Jan 2020, businesses, citizens and organsations of every shape and size had 3.5 years to prepare for Brexit, if they couldn't progress towards the new situation in that time, that's largely on them IMO

But Louise whilst I appreciate an actual answer. That particular statement is disingenuous and/or a convenient deflection from the laziness of both Tory cabinets.

MPs only voted on 30th Dec 2020 for a deal going into force 1st January 2021.

Business were crying out for the UK Government to a) tell them what new documents were required and b) put in place the actual systems, vets, people, IT, forms etc that were required to continue trading/selling to the EU. Business didn’t get to decide themselves…

EU governments had everything ready to go for something they didn’t want, but neither May nor Johnson’s government put any bloody thing in place. That is fully and wholly on them. It’s depressing it really is that an intelligent poster such as yourself chooses to ignore this.

Exactly. Business couldn't prepare because they had no idea what they were going to have to prepare for.
wewereliars · 09/10/2021 13:44

Clavogenius

There is a difference beween a local trade dispute and a total wrecking of all supply chains by a clueless government.

WrinklesShminkles · 09/10/2021 13:46

Let's not forget this useful insight into the "help" the UK government gave businesses soon after brexit provided by this Twitter thread:
twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1350367078662987777?s=20

LouiseCollins28 · 09/10/2021 13:46

wewerliars to my way of thinking our government must:

Defend the territorial integrity of our country and any depedencies. Protect our people from external threats (that's why we need the military) and the maintain law and order internally (that's why we need the police)

There are plenty of other things that government can and should do, but the above is my view of what is must do. I'm very happy to pay for my government to do much, much more than this, but the above is the basic minimum.

BTW, every UK government in my entire lifetime has failed this test.

AuldAlliance · 09/10/2021 13:49

Not in Marseille, Clav, no.
Oddly enough, given that photo, which bears no resemblance whatever to Marseille.

FWIW I think the refuse collectors in Marseille are taking the piss. Like a lot of what goes on there. There are very good reasons why I don't live there.
However, I'd defend their right to strike any day.
And once the strike is over then things will return to normal. Unlike Brexit Britain.

But if it gives you joy to c&p endless links on why things are temporarily unpleasant elsewhere in an effort to feel better about how wonderful they are in the UK, be my guest. Someone might click on them, I guess. Others might be doing joyful things, like running the London Marathon. Which has to win the prize for this month's best c&p non sequitur.