Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Even more trouble for the Care sector ahead:

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/13/nhs-faces-beds-crisis-as-care-homes-stop-taking-patients-from-hospitals

I think this is the thread on care homes @LouiseCollins28 mentioned. Well worth a read

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1447646930411134978

twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1448184653203050497?s=20

The fact that this twat got anywhere near Downing Street, never mind in the door of No10 and to a position where he was remotely involved in policymaking is bloody terrifying.

Cummings is getting his excuses in, I feel.

However, I am fully prepared to believe him when he said the Government negotiated in bad faith.

Talking about Lewis Goodall, his latest twitter thread

Philip Rycroft former Permanent Secretary at Department for Exiting the EU (2017-2019) tells World at One: “The government knew absolutely what it was signing up to when it signed up to the Protocol.”
Rycroft had left DexEu by time Protocol was signed. But striking that when he was asked whether in his view the government is negotiating in good faith he doesn’t answer directly.
Again, very striking from Rycroft: “Does the UK government want the Protocol to work? And I have to say I’m just not sure what the answer to that is right now.”

Rycroft basically confirming Cummings' tweets on WAPO

It's an odd government tactic to suggest that people don't want to work in various industries because conditions are so shit. I don't doubt it is true, but how on earth are you going to recruit people into a role that the government tell you, you'll be treated terribly?

Oh I think theyve figured it out, this is a section from the benefits and work newsletter I got this morning:

TOO MANY PEOPLE GETTING PIP AND ESA SUPPORT GROUP
Therese Coffey, the secretary of state for work and pensions, told the Tory party conference this month that PIP has “grown in a way that was not anticipated” and that it needs to be targeted at “people who need that help”.

As evidence that things were going wrong, Coffey explained

“To give you an example, three out of four young people who claim PIP have their primary reason being mental ill health.

“That in itself is 189,000 young people who currently receive benefit focused on that. There may be other benefits they receive as well.”

Coffey also complained about ESA, saying that the original expectation was that only 25% of claimants would be in the support group rather than “about 80%”.

In words that come straight out of benefits history, Coffey said that she wanted to change the focus to “what people can do, rather than the benefit system being driven currently by what you cannot do”.

Coffey also refused to rule out merging PIP with UC, saying that “everything is on the table”.

So, before they have even finished transferring DLA claimants to PIP or moving ESA claimants to UC, it looks like the DWP are already beginning to plot another major benefits shake-up.

Meanwhile, the number of victims of their current botched reforms continues to grow and the lessons are never learned.

"...the lessons are never learned."
They don't want to learn any lessons. They just don't see why people should have benefits at all.

From vera99 Wed 13-Oct-21 12:06:49 :

"Starmer [...] brings a multi-paged carefully argued briefly to a knife fight against a devious feral lying thug."

This is it. This is the whole crux of the matter. The enemies here (eg. Trump, Johnson, Russia, FB, whoever else) are people who think rules are for fools. And truly rules do only exist if people agree to respect them.

The bonus of respecting mutually agreed rules is that it creates stability and strengthens bonds of community. Rules are a framework that allow us to figure out how our relationships (personal, civic, international ) can work.

But "they" don't give a fig about that. All that matters is to win and - in their view - if you do not use every dirty and violent trick to do that then you deserve to lose. So there are no rules other than 'winner takes all'. Just smash everything - it's fiiiine.

But it's all meaningless in the end because you can cavort in your gold penthouse, shag another American 'entrepreneur', and sit in your tapestry room bleating pseudo-intellectual clap-trap about the 'elite' all you want. But if you do not understand that to be human is to long for real connection with other people - well then it will all be ashes. If you do not understand that to be powerful is useless if you do not look out for the weak - then your supposed winnings will be hollow and you will never, ever find satisfaction.

There's a Dramanic Crummings Twitter thread today laying out this immature idea that rules are for babies. Oh - and also that Brexit isn't working because it's everyone else's fault . I won't link to it because that pampered sh*te-hawk doesn't need any more attention.

I do not know how you beat the type of enemy who does not respect the natural limits of care and decency towards others.

It is always useful to understand how your opponents' minds dysfunctional psychological problems work. IME people mostly make the things they do right in their own heads - even when those actions are very, very wrong.

I read this BylineTimes article recently which argues that when the far-right talks about corruption they are talking about how women/ black and minority ethnic and LGBTQ people are (to their twisted minds) 'corrupting' politics and public institutions by their very presence which 'taints' the white male supremacy.

So by that logic handing out huge 'contracts' to chums is not the bad type of corruption. That's 'winning'.

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Sigh ...I've got 99 problems and the white heteronormative patriarchy is basically all of them.

Its simple, cheap and very effective , as set out so well by Orwell,

" We have always been at war with Eastasia"

There must always be a scapegoat group, to take the blame and attention from the ruling party/ government.

Off the top of my head; Communism/ Russians, black people, the Irish, muslims, single mothers, refugees, benefit claimants, ,the disabled, the woke " (WTF that may be) the disabled, the middle class, the public sector, the working class the EU. And on and on ad infinitum ad nauseum.

They would probably like to add Jews to the list, but since they are big on WW2, blaming the Jews is just a little to close for comfort.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/eu-to-do-whatever-it-takes-to-make-us-fk-off-20211013213104

@UltimateFoole great passion-fueled rant you hit so many nails bang on their heads. We are currently heading for hell in a handcart being cheered on by an army of hapless fools.

I actually think the EU collectively is saddened as much as angered that a great country like the UK could stoop and fall so low. There is huge respect worldwide and with our nearest neighbours for our history, culture and people.

Let's hope these are passing clouds and decency and common sense can re-assert themselves. But I'm not holding my breath.

Johnson like Trump is incapable of understanding or giving true selfless love and their sociopathy and behaviour stems from that. Both want to be narcissistic Kings of the World but neither are masters of their selves and never will be. Destruction, not creation is the fruit of their soulless loins.

“Off the top of my head; Communism/ Russians, black people, the Irish, muslims, single mothers, refugees, benefit claimants, ,the disabled, the woke " (WTF that may be) the disabled, the middle class, the public sector, the working class the EU. And on and on ad infinitum ad nauseum.”

Pretty much everyone except pensioners and the government.

Cumming's is borderline insane now but in a hyperfunctioning manner.

What does this even mean like he says he should never have been allowed to have his hands on the levers of power.

Dominic Cummings
@Dominic2306

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@Dominic2306
1 of many great ironies re elite Remain's hysterical mental breakdown is - I suggested 2REFs in 2015 & they, assuming theyd win, said 'no way Cummings, no tricks, just ONE & it's for keeps'. Then after all the 'serious people' totally blew it 'err rematch please' 😂🤡
Dominic Cummings

Elite Remain are 100% sure Brexit = the risky option. I think Remain = the risky option & getting riskier as €zone stagnates/fails. VL failed to communicate this & what to do after Brexit cos of ERG 🤡 disrupting campaign. This difference partly why so much misunderstanding now

This one from Cumming's is a goodie. He also uses a shopping trolley emoji for him prefaced with fked...

No what Ive said does NOT mean 'the PM was lying in GE2019', he never had a scoobydoo what the deal he signed meant. He never understood what leaving Customs Union meant until 11/20. In 1/20 he was babbling 'Id never have signed it if Id understood it' (but that WAS a lie).

Given that he stood idly by when all this was going on, how does the 6th form nihilst, aka Cummins, think any of this makes him look?!

Totally agree with what Ultimatefoole has posted. If you believe, as the gangsters at no.10 seem to, that following rules and keeping your word is for losers and fools, where on earth does that leave anything or anyone?

It's come up a pretty pathetic pass when The Daily Mash struggles to appear extreme because the real life news is even more extreme

A chap on LBC now phoning in from Spain, no HGV driver shortages, no fuel shortages and the shops are stocked full to the rafters. We are being gaslighted and lied to on an epic scale now. The care home / medical staff shortage is going to be brutal this year. Thousands will die needlessly that's a given whilst Johnson pretends to paint to think that's he's Churchill.

We are being gaslighted and lied to on an epic scale now.

To illustrate how easily BJ lies, even at a small level, he corrected Dan Walker when he was being interviewed, insisting that it was 127 HGV applications and not 27. And even when he was challenged, Dan saying it was just 27, he repeated his insistence that it was 127

What can an interviewer do in such circumstances?

Actually, I think Emily Maitless or Alistair Campbell or Kay Burley wouldn't have let him get away with it (which is why he doesn't ever do interviews with them ) - but I do have some sympathy for Dan Walker faced with such brazen lying

It makes me just sick to my stomach :(
We’ve never been here before.

To think of those that saved Johnson's life tbh it wasn't worth saving but I'm not as good as those that did. He left his wife when she had cancer the word cunt doesn't even start to touch the sides of that one.

www.arabnews.com/node/1860941/world

@vera99

A chap on LBC now phoning in from Spain, no HGV driver shortages, no fuel shortages and the shops are stocked full to the rafters. We are being gaslighted and lied to on an epic scale now. The care home / medical staff shortage is going to be brutal this year. Thousands will die needlessly that's a given whilst Johnson pretends to paint to think that's he's Churchill.

I live in Spain, there are no shortages here.

@wewereliars

The lack of basic understanding in the general popoulation in respect of economics, and modern supply chains, is why the refendum vote was such an act of absolute folly.

But the average member of the public is more intelligent that the average government minister.