Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

Remember, how two days ago Clavinova was extolling the virtues of having to have passports rather than ID cards to enter the UK? I took her to task over this saying that this wouldn't deter criminals and people smugglers. I was not wrong: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58876645, although in this case the culprits have been caught.

It's now the Boris Broadcasting Corporation proprietor Ms Laura Kuntsberg with Kultur Secretary Ms Nadine Dorries. I don't watch it anymore but there was a time when I idolised and lionised it and my brother is a senior bod in it. Tragic really it was one of the world's great institutions a sort of cultural pyramid.

New media and youtube and the like have eaten away at it as well.

I don't think they have mentioned Johnson's holiday either

I can get behind this

Prem Sikka @premnsikka
I am in parliament at the moment opposing the 1.25 percentage point hike in national insurance (NI) which hurts the less well-off the hardest. The rich pay no NI on unearned income. I have called this hike the "Johnson Tax". Could you please help to popularize this term.

What happened between 5:30 and 6:00 pm today
IMHO PM in general is more than happy to talk truth to power and not shy away from the B words (as do Sunday, More or Less, The Bottom Line and In Business to name a few) it's the 1pm, 6pm and 10pm news programmes that seem to curate the content. I might posit that the former are not produced by the 'news' department.

They're running scared Tim Davie is an ex Coca Cola exec and I know from the inside that they are a nest of leftie remaining types (hurrah nothing wrong with that) - but the call has gone out they need to represent the Brexit constituency whilst singing for their licence fee supper.

Remember when adults used to run the world yer know people who had done stuff and made things happen. Now with Tik Tok if it didn't happen in 15 seconds it didn't happen.

This thread is moving quickly…

Yes vera I’ve often felt we’ve lost all the adults from government replaced by a load of uninformed emotional shrieking toddlers.

What on earth did Tatiana say that led to a couple of deletions?

The mind boggles

compared the govenment to toddlers with SEN, but 2nd tweet back tracked.

MN always very quick to delete from this thread I find.

Will Johnson waffle out of taking any blame for Covid failings? Perhaps that's one reason why he's run away on holiday.

I remember them now. The only "backtrack" was that it wasn't fair to compare the Government to young children who can't help the way that they are. I think that's a pretty fair comment

The 'we followed scientific advice' line has already started. Steve Barclay in this case

Johnson will be just fine, he tried his best after all.

The only thing I've had deleted was posted links as to how to get round paywalls and I know I'm pushing my luck sometimes.

Hmm ...

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/10/12/trouble-paradise-boris-carrie-should-beware-benefactor-bearing/

He is understood to have grown close to Carrie, 33, when she was working for the Tory press office and Lord Goldsmith was fighting for his seat in a 2016 by-election, sparked by his resignation over a third Heathrow runway. Goldsmith regained the leafy constituency for the Conservatives in 2017, before losing it again in 2019, when he was elevated to the House of Lords by Johnson and appointed Minister of State for the Pacific and the Environment.

Since then, he and Carrie have campaigned together on animal rights issues, including calling for fur sales to be banned post-Brexit.

In April, Lord Goldsmith, who has six children and married his second wife, banking heiress Alice Rothschild, in 2013, hit out at “sexist” attacks on Carrie, insisting that “fabrications” about her influence on No.10 were being used to “pour hate and bile on her”.

Taking to Twitter, he said some of the attacks alleging she is the real power behind the throne smacked of “1950s sexism”. He also refuted an article claiming that Carrie had “pressed for the removal of” environment secretary George Eustice, because he was seen as not tough enough on animal welfare issues.

According to one insider: “Zac is like a knight in shining armour. He certainly looks out for Carrie, first and foremost, but he is also close to Boris. The Goldsmiths and the Johnsons – they’re like these two family dynasties colliding.”

Watched Greg Clark (Chair of one of the Select Committees who wrote the critical assessment) explain on BBC Breakfast that the government made the mistake of assuming that the public wouldn't follow lockdown rules so delayed it so that it would be effective for longer ... whereas in fact the public did comply very well.

Yes, BJ assumed that the British public wouldn't follow the rules because he judged them by his own low standards

My recollection is that the impetus for lockdowns really came from the public, who started staying away from events in public.

The problem we all have now is that we haven't got a clue what the rules are anymore, and we can't trust the Government to tell a straight story.

Those pesky 'elites' that Boris is taking on seem to be lying in the same bed as him (urghhh) but anyway jokes galore and Keir's a bore in the playground that passes for British politics now.

Up yours Delors and Hans (geddit) off our fish! That should do it.

I also recall that the Government underestimated the initial impact on the economy - again because they'd assumed that there wouldn't be such widespread adherence to the rules

That might explain the regular high profile breaches and mixed messages, so the government could have its cake and eat it claim that it was the public's fault that Covid was still rife as "it" was no longer following the guidelines

Trust is a basic requirement in such situations. The WM government doesn't have the moral backbone to maintain that

At the beginning of February when China was shutting down entire cities and MN was in full prepping mode Johnson made a speech at Greenwich woefully disregarding the intelligence he would have been receiving. He missed 5 Cobra meetings and went on holiday (again) I seem to remember. The rest is the greatest public health failure in history.

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Where is Clavinova? I would like to see her try to mount a defence of Johnson't leadership.

But she won't there will be a lot of whatabouteries and cherry-picked links of supply chain issues not in the UK, he deserves a holiday and doesn't regret voting leave one bit, a smiley icon and then bye I've got to go out and will leave your miserable bores to your misery (implied).

I shall rub the magic lantern ....

@Clavinova