Brexit Megathread - Part 1 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Started a new thread for all things Brexity as the last generic dumping ground reached its 1000 post limit. As this developing shitshow unfolds it's going to be important to share and unload. Clav of course will punt a contrarian view along with unrepentant 'taking back control' so-called Brexiteers. I look forward to seeing the benefits.

I think the real backlash will start next year, assuming Brits get to go to Europe as before and realise how shit things are in comparison. At the moment they can easily evade news not in English (and clearly are).

Oh to see ourselves as others see us ....

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/28/business/brexit-fuel-food-shortages/index.html?twitterrimpression=true

As well as putting the blame fully on the Brexit deal negotiated (and pointing out the inevitable turkey shortage at Christmas ), it finishes with this damning forecast for the UK economy.

Britain's economy remains 2.1% smaller than before the pandemic and economists at Berenberg recently pushed back their forecast for a full recovery to the second quarter of 2022.

By comparison, S&P Global Ratings expects Europe to return to its pre-crisis level of GDP before the end of this year, one quarter earlier than previously forecast, suggesting that the diverging fortunes of the UK and EU economies, already apparent in growth and investment patterns since the Brexit referendum in 2016, looks set to continue.

So much for sunlit uplands

[quote vera99]There you are ultimate....

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That's the one. Thank you.

Peregrina
"Yes, dear, if you say so". I am damned if I know when I let you into my house to monitor my viewing habits, to tell me what I watched and when, and therefore what I remember.

A few weeks ago actually (10 Sep);

Peregrina
As far as the chemicals are concerned, I remember a Question Time when an audience member who was involved in importing them, said that post Brexit this would be a problem. A Brexiter on the panel, I can't remember who, rudely put her down.

Clavinova
I remember the episode as well - it was Jacob Rees-Mogg - but the chemicals were imported from non-EU countries (China, India etc.) and then exported to the EU.

Peregrina
No, it wasn't Rees-Mogg - I would have remembered him...

I do recall that Rees-Mogg said that we won't realise the full benefits for 50 years

His answer to; "What if you are wrong?"

he moved his investments to Ireland smartish

I believe his company set up a second investment fund there (they already had one established) - for other people to invest. He stepped down from his executive role at the company when he was made a cabinet minister in 2019 (ministerial code).

Anyway, I must dash - going away for the weekend as previously posted.

Belated thanks to @vera99 for the translated Dutch article. It's both eye-opening and yet unsurprising. The EU will lose patience with the UK govt sooner or later.

I'm off as well must dash .... cu Monday where no doubt fresh horrors await.

Have a nice weekend @vera99

Hope you don't experience any shortages wherever you are going

Another Tory donor and another peerage and unelected ministerial role.

And no Clavinova never did come to my house, and keep a record of what I watched and who said what. But let us humour her, as a Brexiter she must have the last word.

Will she get petrol/diesel I wonder, or will karma come and get her like it appears to be doing with Tim Martin and Nigel Farage.

@DuncinToffee

Another Tory donor and another peerage and unelected ministerial role.

How to win friends and influence people in Scotland

• Fail in bid to be elected by the people

• Donate c£150,000 to the Conservative Party

• Get elevated to the House of Lords

• Get appointed as a minister in the Scotland Office

unelected ministerial role.

A but you see, he will be an English unelected person. It's unelected ones which talk furrin that the Brexiters had problems with.

@Peregrina - and there I was, deleting the part of my post that wished the shortages that they deserved on those that voted Brexit, since they were inflicting them on the majority rest of us

And by majority: I mean the majority of those that live in the UK, not those that voted in 2016 (who demographically are probably not the majority now anyway )

Fail in bid to be elected by the people

Nicola Blackwood, Zak Goldsmith - two others off the top of my head. Others who stood down but got bumped up to the Lords: Gisela Stuart.

Have we heard from her lately, since she was one of the Leaders of the vote Leave campaign.

prettybird - I don't think I can whistle up karma. If so I would ask it first to call on Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Priti Patel before I worked down the list to Farage, Tim Martin...... and Clavinova would be way way down my list.

@Peregrina - Tim Martin is already being visited with karma . May he get a shitload more

Just need to keep hoping for the appropriate karma to arrive for the members of government

Oh - and Farage got some karma yesterday.

I think the real backlash will start next year, assuming Brits get to go to Europe as before and realise how shit things are in comparison. At the moment they can easily evade news not in English (and clearly are).

That's true, once it's easier to go on holiday again, people will be able to see any differences in supply chain and other issues between the UK and Europe.

Supermarket wasn't empty today, but definitely not as full as normal. Creative spacing of items, some items out of stock and many of the shelves only have products at the front and nothing behind them. Less milk than normal.

Nothing to do with Brexit but the Met"s 'advice' on how we women need to be streetwise about knowing when and when not we can be arrested is astonishing

How nice

Adam Payne @adampayne26
^New: I’m told the Home Office has changed the visa scheme so it no longer ends on Xmas Eve. Driver visas will last the full 3 months from the day work starts, industry told today. @politicshome reported this wk industry concern that the scheme would be

DuncinToffee now retracted, tone deaf does not even come near!

Those words came out of someone's mouth!? In public!
Maybe teach the Met police not to abduct, rape and murder women!!

This was said by North Yorkshire Police Commissioner Phillip Allott

Just read that he is not a police officer but an elected conservative politician

"For those who might not be aware, the Police and Crime Commissioner is not a police officer (unlike, confusingly, the Commissioner of the Met). It's a political office, ie they're elected politicians" Lewis Goodall

@HappyWinter

I think the real backlash will start next year, assuming Brits get to go to Europe as before and realise how shit things are in comparison. At the moment they can easily evade news not in English (and clearly are).

That's true, once it's easier to go on holiday again, people will be able to see any differences in supply chain and other issues between the UK and Europe.

Supermarket wasn't empty today, but definitely not as full as normal. Creative spacing of items, some items out of stock and many of the shelves only have products at the front and nothing behind them. Less milk than normal.

Local co ops here have no eggs, little milk, no bread.

Big gaps on the shelves.

By the time the fruit gets on the shelves it's at bbd or ubd.

I did finally manage to get £20 worth of petrol yesterday.

Lasagna sheets are a rarity in our Sainsburys these days. Fresh produce is ok but the crates underneath are all empty. And yes to creative shelf stacking

The Chimese supermarket was well stocked but there are only so many botles of soy sauce one needs.

Still long queues for petrol.

Peregrina. Please tell me what you mean by "talk furrin".
Is it racist or is it mocking the way some working class people say foreign? 🤷‍♀️
Whichever way you look at it, it is a slur.
Or is it that you can't spell?

Just popping to say hi, the nights are drawing in, the sun's dropping and so is the temperature - so I've left a pile of logs by the backdoor, ready to light the fires that will keep us warm through our winter debates.

I'll have a read through the posts, etc and acquaint myself with the Brexity points of the day and be back later.