Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

I didn't realise that it was the British Government's fault that the French passports retain birth names on passports. Silly me.

Yes, silly you indeed. Until about 5 years ago, you couldn't get a Dutch passport in your married name. So when designing the system for settled status, the UK government absolutely should have scoped what naming conventions were in use for passports in the EU27 and built their system accordingly. Because to refuse would have been to deny those sovereign countries the right to manage their own passport affairs. Clear enough for you?

Well done to Kim Leadbeater. I'm pretty sure it was just the Tory spin machine saying that Labour were certain to lose. And Galloway can fuck off to whatever rock he crawled out from.

Galloway has gone into full Trump mode and wants to contest the by election result !

Peregrina, I am not making excuses. Show me where I have made excuses. I am disappointed by the by-election result but cheered by the fact that the Tory vote only dropped by 2%. Of course the fact that the seat went to Labour is not good but their vote dropped by a lot more.
I make no excuses for the Home Office. We voted for Brexit 5 years ago. People have known there would be changes. The Home Office are doing a good job. It is hardly their fault if people ignore deadlines.

I am not claiming the Tories won, of course they didn't but their vote held up reasonably well.

Really?

In other news, who had "Brexit will stop mineral water produced in the EU from being accredited in the UK" on their bingo card?

Here's George Eustice formally ending the automatic accreditation of Evian, Volvic, Perrier, etc. as recognised mineral waters for export into Great Britain.

But, naturally, the EU loses one market, and Great Britain loses not just 27, but 28, as we lose NI as well.

Tell me again how they need us more than we need them...

Pointy, the British Government can and should design their system to suit this country. If any EU27 country does it differently, then fine. That is their sovereign right. But why expect the UK to change to suit them? We stopped doing that when we left the EU.

Pointy, so the UK Government should design its systems to suit the EU27 because our not doing so would deny them their sovereign right to design their systems their way. Rubbish.

The Home Office are doing a good job.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now I know you're a troll! By any metric the Home Office are incompetent, vindictive, malicious, ignorant, and criminal.

Unless, of course, that's your opinion of what our country should be? Which judging by your support for this kleptocracy, is actually quite possible...

The Tories didn't have a spoiler challenger on their right-flank in Batley the way that UKIP used to be. Labour had their own version of a UKIP-style challenger (Galloway). Their vote was bound to drop given the intensity of his campaign.

Fortunately, back in the day, David Cameron called an advisory referendum to nix the UKIP challenge to the Conservatives and assured their place in power with no cost at all to either the economy, integrity or social fabric of the United Kingdom. Oh wait...

Yes, Peregrina , the Tory vote dropped 2% but the Labour vote dropped 6%.

Hannibal, I am not a troll. I am entitled to my opinion as, of course, are you.

"Tory vote dropped 2% but the Labour vote dropped 6%."

Despite Galloway stoking division, and Kim Leadbetter facing intimidation from groups of his lackeys , she came through.

Show me where I have made excuses.

1st July 8:57 & 9:38.

In your opinion the system is not cruel, and because it was OK for one friend of yours that trumps everything else.

The system should be able to pick up the name that a person is known by. It should not have been difficult to code in a field 'name known by' or some such. But this is typical of Johnson's Tory Government - do things at the last minute with a lot of bluster and bombast, and miss obvious details which could have been easily sorted.

De rien, prettybird

Exegesis was, predictably enough, a resounding success, eliciting a response shifting blame to France. A state which should really have changed its entire population registration system, which has been in place since just after the Revolution, as per art. 1 of the law of 23 August 1794 (v temporarily aka 6 fructidor an II), so that its passports can be read by UK machines.

I'd hazard a guess that France is not the only country where the birth name is what matters most.

Obviously, though, a government that is implementing a system made necessary by the results of its own referendum on leaving the EU cannot be expected to ensure that the system can actually process the predictable influx of applications from EU citizens, many of whom will have passports that are not identical to UK ones.

If this is the Home Office doing a good job, it's taking the concept of a hostile environment to a new low, frankly.

Yes, Peregrina , the Tory vote dropped 2% but the Labour vote dropped 6%.

So sorry, please explain to me why a vote dropping and not gaining a seat which all the publicity suggested would be theirs is a 'good result'. I really can't see it myself.

I do think it's a good result for Labour - Galloway's mob fought a dirty campaign and it's good to see that they didn't help a decent candidate lose.

In some respects, certain posters on here serve a useful purpose: illustrating just how far they are prepared to twist themselves in knots to say that the Home Office can do no wrong/it's individuals faults for not sorting themselves out/they're foreigners and should have sorted themselves out/don't they know who we are? etc, etc.

It's a practical illustration of the mindset

the British Government can and should design their system to suit this country.

So a government designing a system for registering immigration can and should design one that can only process paperwork provided by its own citizens - who are not, oddly enough, likely to immigrate to their own country??

Just checking I followed this world-beating argument correctly...

Pointy, so the UK Government should design its systems to suit the EU27 because our not doing so would deny them their sovereign right to design their systems their way. Rubbish.

So you are really saying that sovereign EU nations should change the way they handle surnames on passports because the UK can't be bothered to design a working system which is only needed because of their decision to leave the EU. Well, at least you're consistent - the EU should change its systems to give the UK what it wants because Don't They Know Who We Are, and only the UK is allowed sovereignty. And sod the EU nationals caught in the middle, they're only foreigners and they should have known better.

Brexiteer logic in full flight.

Come on though Auld - when we re-introduced the blue passports we should have gone back to the ones of the old size and the little windows on the front. None of this nonsense of conforming to international standards.

BTW the 'blue' is exactly the same colour blue as the old ones. And it is blue in the same way that the Police who wear a very similar colour are the 'boys in blue' and not the 'boys in black.'

Ha! Just read this on twitter;

Lloyd Hardy
@lloydhardy
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Fun #Brexit fact!

Renault owns 43% of Nissan
^France owns 15.01% of Renault%

Conservatives gave Nissan £80 Million, effectively giving France £5.16 Million [facepalm]

For just 1,600 jobs (0.37% of 436,296 lost by leaving the EU)

That's France, Europe. In the EU!

"So a government designing a system for registering immigration can and should design one that can only process paperwork provided by its own citizens - who are not, oddly enough, likely to immigrate to their own country??"

That's how convoluted Brexiteer logic is !

It always amuses me that when I post something on here that some posters disagree with they falsely credit me with thinking or saying other things. They even extrapolate that I must therefore mean x,y or z.
I still maintain that the Home Office is doing a good job. People should plan ahead and not leave registration to the last day.

As for "don't they know who we are". Where on earth did you get that from? Making incorrect assumptions yet again. 😀🇬🇧🤷‍♀️

It always amuses me when Brexiteers on this thread completely fail to address the points made by those they disagree with in situations where those points involve highlighting the total lack of logic or understanding the Brexiteers have just demonstrated in one of their posts. It suggests there is no substance to any of their arguments.

I must say I am quite enjoying this Houdini show.

It's interesting Hartlepool (or pre constituency boundary changes representing the town) has been Labour since the year dot.
Chesham and Amersham or earlier seats covering the towns - Tory since the year dot also.

Batley and Spen was Tory between 1983 and 1997 - in the Thatcher hey day, losing to New Labour. So really, with a supposedly popular PM and Government, there is no reason why the Tories shouldn't have won this seat - it should have been something of a bell-whether.

But by elections are different and they do throw up anomalies.