Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

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Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

I read the twitter thread @HannibalHayeski and totally disgusted that a couple of the replies have been that the son should have done it sooner, rather than outrage at what an old lady who's given the bulk of her adult life to the country has had to go through to ensure settled status. What is wrong with people??

When you vote for a cruel and divisive government like this one, be aware the you too are responsible for the unnecessary cruelty inflicted on my mum today and many more like her.

^^This...

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[quote HesterThrale]Peregrina I agree. Tory Bernard Jenkin, ultra-Brexiteer, moaning here that it’s being poorly executed.

No one foresaw that any government would make such a mess of Brexit

Some excellent comments though.

www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/no-one-foresaw-that-any-government-would-make-such-a-mess-of-brexit[/quote]
Bernard Jenkin is such a liar.

The Northern Ireland Protocol, a forced inheritance from Mrs May’s backstop, is now destroying peace and political stability in Northern Ireland and will prove to be politically fraudulent.

It simply isn’t true that the Protocol is an inheritance from May. It’s despicable to put the blame on her. The problems in NI were baked in and bound to happen (as was pointed out on here many times) whoever negotiated the final agreement. They are now worse than they could have been because the current shower either a) didn’t understand what they were doing b) didn’t care what they were doing c) a combination of both (most likely) and d) think they can lie and bluster their way out of anything with no consequences (sadly proved by experience so far, though possibly not true for this).

This Government is not cruel or divisive. Asking non nationals to register is not cruel or divisive. People have had plenty of time to register....my German friend who has been here for 31 years registered last year. Apparently there are over 5 million EU National here who have already applied.
And lots of post Brexit jobs in Sunderland. 😄

I applied in March 2019, and applied for my DDs in June of that year. However, that isn't relevant. The point is that the UK registration process is cruel to the most vulnerable. It's easy for the rest of us, but for the elderly, the ill, children in care, it's not. And that is something the UK government should be deeply ashamed of.

As for the post Brexshit jobs, Nissan have been given millions of pounds by the Government to "encourage" them to stay .

The registration system is not cruel to anyone. It is the same for everyone and those who are vulnerable have help. Children in Care are the responsibility of local authorities who are acting loco parents and completing the forms on their behalf.
There are still lots of additional jobs in Sunderland. Surely everyone can be delighted at that. Or are you all wanting the UK to fail. I love my country and am pleased with it's success.

Harriet, please can you tell me how many millions Nissan were given? Do you agree that the creation of these jobs is a good thing?

The grants to Nissan/ Envision (Chinese battery manufacturer) haven't been disclosed.
No doubt we have paid handsomely

So far a £180 million sweetener, Yellow. Nissan will undoubtedly get further sweeteners whenever they want going forward because they can't be seen to fail.

FT reporting £100m to Nissan "according to people briefed on the discussions"...unclear how much Envision get.

Also France has given extensions till October to apply for registration.

Report from Corporate Welfare Watch: Investigating Public Support for Private Business.

Our new report on Nissan UK reveals that the company has extracted £800m in corporate welfare since it began negotiating to come to the UK in 1980. Having examined funds distributed since 2015 and considering recent public statements and parliamentary testimony by Nissan executives, our research reveals that Brexit has given the company even more bargaining power.

Just as it had to craft a sweetheart deal to entice Nissan to open its Sunderland plant in the early 1980s the government is once again, thanks to Brexit, in the position of having to craft a new and even more lucrative deal to keep the company in the UK.

Our report raises questions about the loyalty, costs and contribution of companies such as Nissan. It asks whether such provision is sustainable and whether the UK can afford to increase corporate welfare handouts whilst cutting corporate taxation and imposing austerity on the social welfare state. Strategic support to businesses able and willing to invest in the long-term may be essential in the post-Brexit period, but before the UK government commits to an endless wishlist of corporate-support measures, and more of its budget is diverted to corporations, the government needs to make corporate welfare as conditional as social welfare. Handouts should come with longer-term commitments, corporate accountability, a willingness to support state provision (through taxation) and tangible positive outcomes for the UK and its citizen-taxpayers.

The registration system is not cruel to anyone.

I am not sure how anyone can say that after the Home Office executed the Windrush scandal.

But bingo, if you happen to know one person who was OK, it must be OK for all.

"I love my country and am pleased with it's success."

I hate what Little England is becoming especially after Brexit. The booing at the German National Anthem, the disgusting comments made on twitter about the little German girl who was crying at the football match on Tuesday. People in the public eye such as Andrew Pierce of the Daily Mail and Lord someone or other who is a Tory making derogatory comments which they think are funny. Meanwhile he German Ambassador congratulated the English team with such class and sincerity. Maybe you think this kind of thing isn't happening much, but it is creeping through the Little England Psyche like a malevolent force.

Anyone who thinks that a system which reduces an 83-year-old with dementia who has given her working life to the UK to tears isn't cruel needs to look at their moral compass.

Anyone who thinks that a system which reduces an 83-year-old with dementia who has given her working life to the UK to tears isn't cruel needs to look at their moral compass.

They'd need to find it first.

@Jason118

Anyone who thinks that a system which reduces an 83-year-old with dementia who has given her working life to the UK to tears isn't cruel needs to look at their moral compass.

They'd need to find it first.

Agreed.

And the fact that we have to pay Nissan ~£100 million of taxpayer's money, on top of the ~£80 million already given, and give them unlimited future access to the exchequer, because of Brexshit - let me make this clear for the slow ones at the back, this wouldn't have been necessary if we'd stayed in the EU - doesn't make it quite such a good deal.

In fact it makes Nissan sound rather like Tory party donors...

Yellow: "those who are vulnerable have help".

How can you read that Twitter feed and state that? Not all people who are vulnerable have help.
One day, in different circumstances, it could be you or someone close to you. Your post was one big I'm-all-right-Jack shrug.

In fact, if you do the maths, £180 million, divided by 1600 jobs, is £112,500 per job. Not sure that counts as the best use of our money...

The UK is investing in Nissan rather than vice versa !

Nissan get support to build battery capability representing one tenth of that which Germany already has.

If the gormless, lying opportunists running this country actually had a strategy they'd already have established battery factories - they don't so they'll endlessly trumpet this as cover for not doing enough.

Peregrina , I was posting about the registration of EU nationals which I don't think is cruel or unfair. I never mentioned Windrush.

So, I take it you all think the additional jobs in Sunderland are not a good idea. I can only assume that you would prefer the UK to fail so you can gloat.
I have no idea about the football as I didn't and don't watch it but if England fans booed the German national anthem then that is wrong. No argument there.

The registration system is not cruel to anyone. It is the same for everyone and those who are vulnerable have help. Children in Care are the responsibility of local authorities who are acting loco parents and completing the forms on their behalf.

Local authorities are not in loco parentis to adults though, and older people, particularly those who have dementia or other mental impairments, are those who may well lack the knowledge, skills and support to have made the online application.