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Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

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pointythings · 08/06/2021 08:55

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

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Peregrina · 28/06/2021 21:05

Not a great start.

No, but even if he had said it would, there is no saying that he would keep his word.

DrBlackbird · 28/06/2021 22:37

Are farmers beginning to swap growing crops for generating clean electricity because it's easier than a) trying to find seasonal workers and b) trying to sell to the EU?

That'll be great for helping to keep the grocery shelves topped up... Hmm

HarrietPierce · 28/06/2021 22:59

BBC South East
@bbcsoutheast
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Lorry drivers in Kent face "chaos" due to a shortage of parking and poor toilet facilities, with fights breaking out between drivers, a union says.

bbc.in/3dpgBtM

borntobequiet · 29/06/2021 06:48

Meant to post this yesterday, Farming Today on the lorry driver shortage.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xdtt

I’d never have voted to leave the EU - far too much to lose - but one thing I’ve always felt is that we really don’t invest enough in our own people with regard to jobs, and that covers the whole range of employment from care home/hospitality workers at the poorly paid end through nurses and other professionals on a moderate wage to well paid senior doctors at the top end. Part of the problem seems to be the inbuilt disparity in what I believe is now called compensation. People at the bottom end of the pay scale are paid far too little, and it’s possible that those at the top end, in some sectors, too much for what they actually do. The increasing privatisation of public services has exacerbated this. In education, teaching assistants and others in vital roles (such as my friend who is a family liaison officer and works astonishingly hard with the most troubled families) are paid a pittance while senior management of MATs negotiate eye-watering pay packages.
When I retired from teaching in secondary school I moved into FE, partly because I had long felt that we don’t invest enough in vocational education. FE is woefully underfunded and has been for decades. Funding around apprenticeships is Byzantine, the admin burden is huge and programmes are top heavy with unnecessary written assignments where the questions appear to have been written by functional illiterates (I’m thinking of the questions in written assignments for construction workers I saw a few years ago. They may have improved now.) These for people who have deliberately chosen to go down the practical skills route.

DGRossetti · 29/06/2021 07:43

I’d never have voted to leave the EU - far too much to lose - but one thing I’ve always felt is that we really don’t invest enough in our own people with regard to jobs, and that covers the whole range of employment from care home/hospitality workers at the poorly paid end through nurses and other professionals on a moderate wage to well paid senior doctors at the top end.

Centuries of having an Empire to plunder.

Gibbon reallys should be required reading. Then we'd all know what is in store.

Peregrina · 29/06/2021 08:07

spot on borntobquiet.

The lorry driver's piece was interesting. It is no doubt that Covid has mucked things up two ways with the pause in testing and people not being able to travel freely. It's nonsense to say that we couldn't see it coming - the Road Haulage Association have been saying so for months. One thing this piece didn't say was the Government might suspend the restrictions on the hours worked before a rest is compulsory. Yep, we all guessed it - the Tachograph stuff is EU law, so make our own law and make conditions more dangerous. Introduced as a short term measure no doubt but remaining long after the crisis is over.

I was glad though that the spokesman said that the drivers are not treated very well - e.g. denied loos and washing facilities. So it's no surprise if they say 'forget this'.

HannibalHayeski · 29/06/2021 11:27

UK poorest country in northwest Europe.

Well done Brexshittiers!

Jason118 · 29/06/2021 14:06

You could argue (but I won't), that since we were already at the bottom since this is a study over many year's, Brexit might be an opportunity to climb the table. I'm not sure how Brexit would help us do that, but I'm happy to be enlightened.

HappyWinter · 29/06/2021 14:21

@RainbowZebraWarrior Got most of the Sainsburys delivery, including the wine so I'm happy Grin. Best before dates are getting shorter, and they used to flag the short dates on the receipt and ask if you wanted to hand them back. They don't do this anymore, not sure if it is to reduce food waste, or whether they don't have anything else in stock, it's probably more likely the latter.

Peregrina · 29/06/2021 15:47

You could argue (but I won't), that since we were already at the bottom since this is a study over many year's, Brexit might be an opportunity to climb the table.

I was expecting the Brexiter argument to be that we were at the bottom while in the EU so what good did it do us? But I have yet to see any real solutions from Brexiters - the much touted promise that we can make our own laws just seems to be laws which are a race to the bottom, which is the opposite of what Brexiters told us was going to happen.

DGRossetti · 30/06/2021 07:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57656812

Presumably this threads Brexiteers are still having to wait for the post-orgasmic flush to subside when they read this:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57656812

So I'll use that pause to point out this gem in the story ...

It is not "carte blanche". The UK will still be subject to World Trade Organisation rules and any decisions made can be contested in law courts.

...

"Taking back control , eh ?"

Peregrina · 30/06/2021 09:02

DGR I noted this bit: The UK has historically extended far less government support to private business than its EU counterparts in France and Germany and officials have historically said they do not expect the overall level of state aid to increase significantly.

I.e. so this sounds like yet another piece of window dressing - they could have provided more state aid in the EU if they had chosen to do so. I doubt whether they will chose to do so now. Or not unless a Tory chum can siphon off oodles of money in the process.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 30/06/2021 13:32

I've not been reading these threads for a while, so thank you to all the regulars for keeping them going. They are a vast resource of useful links.

Anyway, my meagre contribution is that the NI Protocol has been found to be lawful.
BBC News - Brexit: NI Protocol is lawful, High Court rules
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57666255

pointythings · 30/06/2021 14:27

Every time I read Kate Hoey's name I think there's an 'o' missing from it.

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prettybird · 30/06/2021 14:41

From that BBC article .....

"The prime minister replied that the "best thing" the EU could do was remove all the problems associated with the protocol's application."

Aka, "I didn't know or care what I was signing the UK up to when I insisted that I'd got Brexit done " Hmm, combined with "don't they know who we are?" and "why should we have to have 3rd country rules applied to us?" and "it's up to the EU to sort out the problems that we have caused by not at all properly thinking through the consequences of leaving the EU." HmmConfused

HannibalHayeski · 30/06/2021 15:10

DGR - I think what the BBC is deliberately missing about the new rules, is how much easier it is going to make it to funnel more taxpayer's cash to their cronies and donors.

It's just another part of the Great Brexshit Kleptocracy.

mathanxiety · 30/06/2021 19:23

Thanks for that link, @ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

DUP leader designate Sir Jeffrey Donaldson described the ruling as "politically significant" and would have potential consequences for "the future stability of political institutions".

In a tweet, he said the judgement confirmed the "protocol damages our constitutional position in the UK contrary to the principle of consent and various agreements".
www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57666255

That's a double edged sword for Unionism if ever there was one.

The Unionists seem to be at once insisting on complete union with Britain and chafing at the idea of the primacy of Parliament. Belief that they can have it both ways leads to a blind alley.

Former Labour MP Kate Hoey - now Baroness Hoey - said it must be "absolutely clear that this is only the beginning of the legal challenge and also of peoples' protests against what has been done to us without consent".
Incitement to violence is a crime.

She also harps on the idea of consent, conveniently forgetting that NI voted Remain by a wide margin and with cross-community voting.

Again we see the tension between the assertion of NI rights vs. the principle of the primacy of Parliament. She can't have it both ways.

To a certain extent, they are correct to fear the clear assertion of the primacy of Parliament. However, this is a smack in the face they have brought upon themselves, as Declan Kearney points out.

The secret to the cohesion of the UK is nebulousness, not clear exposure of the cracks and contradictions inherent in the unions.

HannibalHayeski · 30/06/2021 19:50

Hoey is such a fucking hypocrite.

As you say, the people of NI voted (narrowly, admittedly) against Brexshit. So anything to do with Brexshit being imposed on them is against their consent.

She's as odious as any of the current disgusting government.

dontcallmelen · 30/06/2021 19:55

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DrBlackbird · 30/06/2021 19:58

But it's interesting how Frost et al are now framing their arguments against the NIP as being oh so concerned about how it undermines the GFA and they're all so faux concerned with how it could undermine peace in NI and on that ground the EU has to agree that it must be scrapped.

As if none of them were warned years ago about this precise concern. Do we assume they never bothered to read the protocol that they put their signatures to for Johnson's oven ready deal fgs...?

HannibalHayeski · 30/06/2021 20:10

Horrific thread here. All you Brexshitters can frankly fottfsofatfosm.

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@mikegoulden
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from the moment she arrived. She had always wanted to be a teacher so she got her teaching qualification whilst working and bringing up my sister and I. She established herself as a well known teacher in adult education teaching German and German literature across schools

colleges and the University of Liverpool. She took multiple groups of students to Germany on exchange visits, sharing her love of the German language and culture to as many people as possible. She is a published poet, having 2 anthologies under the pseudonym Alfa. She has written

a novel “Susato” about Nazi Germany and she wrote a series of workbooks in German grammar for O and A level. She has a Bachelor and Masters degree which she funded herself. She has been called a Nazi, a Kraut, a Jew murderer by people in the street. Not once, ever, did she

retaliate. She adores the Queen and treasures a thank you letter from her after my mum gave her a copy of her novel at a meeting of The Society of Women Writers and Journalist, of which she is a long-standing member. She loves this country and has contributed much to its life.

Today, I had to fill out an application to apply for her to have settled status. I was reluctant but realised that we could risk her becoming an “illegal immigrant”. She has no understanding of this process because of her dementia. As part of the application I submitted her

passport but that wasn’t enough. Oh no, I had to scan her face from side to side like an inmate in a concentration camp and then take the picture shown above. She became increasingly upset, “just tell the government I’ve been here for years and that I’m German” I was crying

on the inside. The rest of the application form was quite tricky with multiple verification codes and I doubt my mum, without dementia, would ever have completed it. It was undignified, intrusive and cruel. For those of you who voted for Brexit, is this what you wanted? If it is

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HannibalHayeski · 30/06/2021 21:26

(They're probably too busy gloating)

In the meantime, a straight insight from the political editor of the Economist.

Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office
Peregrina · 30/06/2021 22:45

hannibal - that is so upsetting to read. What have we become as a nation?

I agree about what brexiters can do with themselves. I am a bit fed up with some reasonably prominent ones whining that this wasn't what they expected. Tough.

HesterThrale · 30/06/2021 22:58

Peregrina I agree. Tory Bernard Jenkin, ultra-Brexiteer, moaning here that it’s being poorly executed.

No one foresaw that any government would make such a mess of Brexit

Some excellent comments though.

www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/no-one-foresaw-that-any-government-would-make-such-a-mess-of-brexit

prettybird · 30/06/2021 23:01

Kate Bloody Hoey on screen risks the safety of my TV Angry

She bloody got what she bloody campaigned for Angry. The fact that she didn't bloody think the consequences it through is not the EU's fault Confused. That is on her Angry bloody bigoted idiot Angry

You may get the impression that I don't like her. You'd be bloody right Wink

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