Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

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Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

There have been no grammar schools in Scotland since the 1970s.

While there may be other issues with Scottish education (although I personally have only had good experiences of it, both myself in a nice middle class area , albeit a loooong time ago and, more recently , 20 year old ds who went to a highly mixed school both demographically and ethnically, where there were 55 languages spoken and a very high proportion of FSMs - and I like the principles behind Curriculum for Excellence ), lack of selection and grammar schools is not one of them

Don't kid yourself that Grammar schools were havens of working class progression. I started at a girls grammar school in 1962 - there were very few daughters of manual workers there, yet it was quite a working class town. Most were daughters of middle class fathers and quite a few farmers' daughters, it being a rural area.

I would agree that there wasn't the tutoring - no need, certain schools were big enough to stream children and the top stream were drilled in how to pass the 11+. The 11+ dominated primary education. A friend I am still in touch with went to a school situated on a big council estate. In her class, she was one of only two girls to pass. As it happened, there was a well regarded girls secondary modern serving the estate. Sec Mods were a mixed bag - some were good, some were dire.

And as a grammar school mine was by no means a haven of academic excellence. Considering that all the girls had passed the 11 +, why did only half get five or more O levels?

The Port of Dover taking legal action against the government for it's decision not to fund more passport check points for post-Brexit immigration controls.

Taking pot shots at a demonstrably good family man and staunch Catholic like Biden probably won’t go down too well.

YY to that.

I'd like to see them go after politicians who have taken money from the NRA.

My (voluntary aided, Catholic) girls’ grammar school was stuffed full of thoroughly middle class girls and children of landed gentry fallen on hard times, as well as some wealthy Europeans (who boarded).

We received an education straight out of the 1920s. The relatively few bright working class girls were not encouraged in their intellectual aspirations, and however academically gifted you were, good Catholic motherhood was the ultimate ideal for all.

My grammar school wasn't Catholic but had quite a strong Anglician influence, but I can relate to borntobequiet's experience: it was pretty much the same for us. You were expected to get enough education which would make you a good wife and mother to the sort of man who became a local worthy. The life mapped out for you was teacher training college, get married pretty much as soon as you left, teach for two years, give up and have your first child.

I shudder when I hear people going on about how wonderful the grammar's were. Now I am much older, live elsewhere and have met many others who were a product of the same system, I know that my school was all too typical.

Yes we did have free tertiary education, but for most grammar school girls it was teacher training.

None of this relates directly to Brexit, but to me the lack of vision for what a 21st century education should look like, is rather illustrative of the same narrow outlook which helped to give rise to Brexit.

I was bought up in Harrow, which went Comprehensive in the 70s.

we had this weird system where you moved schools a year later than most. So I was aged 12 when I started High School.

We also had 6th form colleges that were standalone, and not part of a school.

It all worked incredibly well. So it had to go.

Meanwhile if I've heard GB News described as "GBeebies" ...

Famously England laughed Mosely out of town. I wonder if this could be the same ?

Breaking News

The new head of the government's new Brexit Opportunities Department has advised that there is a great opportunity for the country to join the European Union...

Hannibal - it's the 21st June, not the 1st April!

www.change.org/p/the-department-of-health-i-strongly-oppose-dido-harding-being-appointed-as-chief-executive-of-nhs-england

I have signed this petition to register my opposition to Baroness Dido Clusterfuck's appointment. Don't know if it will do any good but signatures are rising.

I have signed to. Having had a sample of the lamentable test and trace system overseen by her and the vaccination programme run by the NHS there is no contest as to which was the better executed.

Signed

Signed and shared.

Thanks Harriet, signed & shared

I have to say that "telling foreign born health workers to bugger off" didn't even feature on my Tory/Brexitainia bingo card (special xenophobia edition)!

They're going to need a bigger bus...

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It might just be that "Dido" Harding doesn't express herself well, despite an expensive education. I think it's wrong that we don't train enough of our own population to do the work, and have always relied on others. Before the EU and FoM it was Commonwealth staff we cheerfully poached - from countries mostly whose need for health care professionals was much greater than our own need. So it would be right to make the effort to train more. So will we see the nursing and midwifery bursaries brought back? How many more training places is she going to create? Let's see her answer those.

Looking at Dildo Harding's career, it's quite obvious that she is nowhere near as intelligent as she would like to think. I think "educated beyond their intelligence" is probably the apt comment.

The perfect person to herald the destruction of the NHS in preparation for it's sale, as desired by, not only her husband, but most leading Brexshittiers.

And did she actually realise how many years it takes to train nurses, radiographers, physiotherapists, let alone a specialist consultant?

My dad was telling me last night that 33% of radiologist positions are vacant

As they say, Dido Harding has failed upwards like Grayling and Williamson.

And did she actually realise how many years it takes to train nurses, radiographers, physiotherapists, let alone a specialist consultant?

You mean, there aren't 17 million eager volunteers raring to go, previously held back from leaping into these jobs only by "uncontrolled immigration"?

This country doesn't produce enough well educated students capable of going into health, technology.
If you attract more into health, that is less into engineering/science/creative industries and vv

Equally we don't have enough people to fill more mundane rolls.

One solution is more automation but we aren't doing that either because we don't have enough peo..... :(

Many countries face the same issues, so where are these mythical well trained migrants going to come from? Esp as we now seem happy to send our best young people to Australia... will they come back? nope.

Well you see jasjas, young people tend not to vote Tory.