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Westminstenders: The New Era

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RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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Peregrina · 04/06/2021 21:48

There was absolutely nothing stopping us from allowing citizens of the rest of the world applying on the same terms as EU citizens. It is called sovereignty. Why the UK chose not to is a matter for discussion - which without many sentences having been uttered will come down to immigration and a desire to curb it.

jasjas1973 · 04/06/2021 21:49

He was quite clear in his first interview that he was finding it hard to recruit staff, no mention of it being a small regional problem, which if it were just that, he probably wouldn't even know about, let alone do an interview on.

He also told staff to get jobs at tesco and said he wouldn't pay suppliers.... nice guy.

jasjas1973 · 04/06/2021 21:51

Economic recovery will very much depend on how any 3rd wave transpires, certainly our over seas tourism industry isn't experiencing a boom

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 21:54

What I take from the BBC link is that Biden's latter day New Deal is going to give the US a huge stimulus. The UK isn't planning to copy him.

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 21:55

Crowing about vaccines delivery only has so much mileage - other countries will catch up. Other first world countries, that is.

yellowspanner · 04/06/2021 22:02

Nobody is crowing about the vaccine roll,out as far as I can see. But you have to admit it is excellent.

A points based immigration system will advantage the UK because we will bring talent from all over the world rather than freedom of movement for Europeans. And Erasmus only involved Europe. The new system will involve more countries.

yellowspanner · 04/06/2021 22:03

Jasjas, tourism worldwide has been adversely affected by the virus. However domestic tourism is booming.

yellowspanner · 04/06/2021 22:07

Peregrina. It is not about sovereignty.
Under freedom of movement EU citizens could come and live and work in the UK on the same basis as UK citizens as I'm sure you know. Citizens from other parts of the world could not. Now all will be treated equally because the same rules will apply to all.

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 22:15

Citizens from other parts of the world could not.

When you have finished making what I find a rather patronising statement, would you like to explain who was it made the laws preventing citizens from other parts of the world coming here? It wasn't the EU, it wasn't the United Nations, or the WTO. I am at loss to think which Government could have been responsible except our own Westminster Government.

If that is not sovereignty, I don't know what is. We chose to keep others out. We chose at one time to be part of the EU and have a say in making the laws on things like Freedom of Movement.

FatCatThinCat · 04/06/2021 22:17

@Peregrina

Crowing about vaccines delivery only has so much mileage - other countries will catch up. Other first world countries, that is.
We're cuurently at just over 47% vaccinated, so not far behind the UK at all.
pointythings · 04/06/2021 22:20

The main reason the UK is going to recover faster (in terms of % growth) is that the UK was one of the worst hit by COVID - probably because the financial hit of Brexit had already started to bite. It's easy to grow by 10% if you're starting from a lower base than anyone else - that's basic maths.

And as peregrina said, the UK could always have chosen to give more access to talented people from all over the world. It just didn't. It could also have chosen to implement the rules around FOM properly. It didn't.

No benefits here, just more smokescreens from the True Beleavers.

prettybird · 04/06/2021 22:30

Hasn't France just announced that they'll be vaccinating young teens from the middle of June? Hmm

My db, who moved to France in 2016, has just been on holiday to Greece. Yes, he had to get PCR tests. No, he didn't have to pay for them.

When my dad - or for that matter, dh, ds or me - wants to visit him, it will now cost db 30€ a pop and need 30 days notice as an attestation from the local Mairie is required Sad

I look forward to one day having a new blue passport: but one with a Saltire on it and an EU symbol Grin

UltimateFoole · 04/06/2021 22:34

@Jason118

I understand that - but how does that benefit the UK? Answer - it doesn't.

Here's the BBC report you mentioned.

Which countries will recover fastest from the pandemic? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56328863

That article quotes the OECD as saying that the UK is "..still by some distance on course for the biggest hit in the G7..." . That's compared to where we were predicted to be before Covid.

The biggest hit in the G7 Shock

A fast recovery does not always equal a strong recovery.

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 22:35

Not only that pointythings, but which citizens from the Rest of the World are going to rush to come to the UK? They can look at Windrush descendents, parents invited to come here to get the country back on its feet again after the War, but kicked out because of lack of documentation. EU citizens, allowed to come here, with rules which could have asked them to leave not being enforced, but now treated as though they were always illegal immigrants. Who is going to want to risk having the rug pulled from under them in the same way?

Where exactly are these wonderful highly qualified immigrants going to come from? Not EU - not welcome. India - maybe. Pakistan - ditto. Australia, NZ, Canada? Some yes, mainly young people I would imagine for a couple of years. Philippines - possibly, I gather that they deliberately train a surfeit of nursing staff, with the expectation that many will seek oversees employment and remit money back.

wewereliars · 04/06/2021 23:03

Not only will people not come, there is likely to be a brain drain out. I hate hate hate what Brexit and it's moron supporters have done to this country.

It looks like I will be eligible for an Irish passport, thank goodness. Can't wait to get my EU passport back and I hope my children will be able to enjoy opportnuities away from this increasingly inward and backward looking country.

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 23:07

My grandsons are eligible for Irish passports too. Five years ago their parents wouldn't have bothered getting them. Now it secures more options for them.

HarrietPierce · 04/06/2021 23:15

The UK (England) has become the very small minded , insular Brexit island.

prettybird · 04/06/2021 23:19

Dh and I joked, post the Brexit vote, what the term for the UK minus Scotland should be, as we felt that rUK, which had been used during the Indyref, wasn't adequate.

FUKD

Peregrina · 04/06/2021 23:24

I don't think FUKD will be necessary. If Scotland gains its Independence, then a re-united Ireland won't be far behind. So it will just be England and Wales (for the time being.)

And don't say this can't happen, because the the Union between England & Wales and Scotland lasted 400 years - unions do fall apart.

prettybird · 04/06/2021 23:25

...posted too soon by accident Blush

FUKD fitted the bill, standing for the Formerly United Kingdom and its Dependencies but Dh and I at the time were being sort of light hearted.

4 years later, it doesn't seem such a joke Confused

The UK truly is FUKD Sad

HannibalHayeski · 04/06/2021 23:30

Yeah Clav, it's all going so well...

jasjas1973 · 05/06/2021 06:24

@yellowspanner

Nobody is crowing about the vaccine roll,out as far as I can see. But you have to admit it is excellent.

A points based immigration system will advantage the UK because we will bring talent from all over the world rather than freedom of movement for Europeans. And Erasmus only involved Europe. The new system will involve more countries.

Yes it is but its a pity the UK has, currently, enough stocks to vaccinate all over 12;s but not enough to give to poor non vaccinated nations.

The UK may well have a points based system but it also has to attract skilled workers & judging by my DD degree course, half have jobs overseas, thats in a sector the NHS are crying out for, zero loyalty to the UK that has put them in approx 50k of debt......

You completely missed the point of my comment on tourism.

Cross channel migrants, still in french waters, picked up by border force and taken to the UK.... another policy you must be pleased with?

jasjas1973 · 05/06/2021 06:30

The Turing scheme offers less choice, less financial support and isn't even up and running plus offers no support for foreign students wishing to study in the UK.... Global Britain?

These are students who may go on to stay in the UK, adding to our science and cultural base... how many foreign scientists worked on the AZ vaccine? Ans - a lot.

Though Wales is offering help for overseas students.

Peregrina · 05/06/2021 07:07

The Brexiters are very big on the 'Anglosphere' a.k.a. the white Commonwealth and USA.

As far as new nursing and medical graduates go, how many are going to take this to heart and say 'Stuff this, I can go to Australia or NZ and practice, doing the job I trained for, without the hassle of the shortages of staffing in the NHS'? I will be surprised if it's not a one way brain drain.

Peregrina · 05/06/2021 07:17

I am surprised that yellowspanner missed the crowing about the vaccine roll out - a few months back it was all about how Leaving meant that we could stick it to the EU.

What annoyed me both then and now is that the vaccine roll out isn't promoted as the NHS vaccine roll out, which it has been, but track and trace which is pretty much a failure is badged as NHS.