Westminstenders: The New Era

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Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

Turns out that on MN you're only allowed to express your real upset at having your life turned upside down, while others educate you on things they know nothing about, if you do it nicely. Do it in the wrong tone and you'll be deleted and be sent an email threatening to ban you.

I think it's fair to say if you're reduced to throwing around your qualifications you're not winning the argument.

some posters know exactly what words they can say that mnhq will not act on and they also are VERY quick with the report button
Nevermind that they spend months undermining some posters and just posting irrelevant articles and cut n paste rubbish
It's gaslighting of the worst kind
(Shrug)
Best just to ignore really
Grey rock technique
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It's hard because to some people this is all like fantasy football, sitting in the comfort of their homes, playing out their fantasy politics online. For others, like me, it reality, We're dealing with constant disruptions and financial hits.

It tooks 3 years to sort out residency for me and my children. 3 years of worrying about losing our homes. Worrying that we were about to have access to free health care withdrawn, just as my DD was rushed into hospital with a very serious illness (months in hospital not knowing if we were going to have to pay for it.) 3 years plus all the costs involved. £thousands. Years of not knowing if DH could keep his job as only EU citizens are allowed to do it. Then our bank accounts were closed, incurring more stress and worry and more financial hits. This year we've had the added joy of not being able to receive parcels from family in the UK. All now being stopped at the border and incurring charges, even birthday presents for the kids. And now our shops are being shut down and someone has the gall to suggest it's not an issue as there's another one a 10 hour drive away.

And I get reprimanded for my tone.

Sorry you've gone through all this crap Fatcat that's the most galling thing on here.

The terminally corrupt and stupid have destroyed so much that was great about this country, and there are people on here waving their ignorance and stupidity around like flags, and wailing on about people being nasty to them and being bullied.

Absolutely pathetic

fatcat
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Some posters on here are repeatedly nasty about other posters.and there is no need for it. Where is the harm in saying what you want to say in a polite and civilised way.
Clavinova only mentioned her law degree because the other poster mentioned it.

Brexit is not about individuals. It's about what is best for the whole of the UK now and in the future. It's not about what is best for some British citizens who live in the EU. It's about a way forward for the UK without the restraints or bureaucracy of the EU.
Fatcat, l'm truely sorry if you are inconvenienced.

And the thing is, I know for a fact that we've had it easier and have been more secure than many, many other brits. There are still thousands upon thousands who are still waiting to find out if they can stay or not. Still hitting walls that never used to be there as they're no longer EU citizens. One lady I speak to online is in Italy and still doesn't have security of residency. She's terrified because if she has to leave she'll have to leave her children behind as their father is Italian and will never agree to them leaving. I'm sure all the extra sovrinty helps her sleep at night.

FatCat I am so sorry. It's depressing to be reported because some people can't handle criticism of their utopia.

Wewereliars, why should we have to put up with people being nasty to us or about us on an anonymous Internet forum. MN clearly has guidelines. Being nasty to another poster breaks those guidelines.

Yep you have to be very careful around particular posters (or ignore) most people on here can give as good as they get, others hit the report button, whilst expressing righteous indignation.

Hope things improve for you all Fatcat.

Brexit is not about individuals. It's about what is best for the whole of the UK now and in the future. It's not about what is best for some British citizens who live in the EU. It's about a way forward for the UK without the restraints or bureaucracy of the EU

That.. explains a great deal.

Funny, I forgot to include in my list that I've also been 'inconvenienced' by becoming estranged from my entire family back in the UK since the referendum. It's been so long that it's no longer remarkable to me.

nasty is as nasty does

@jasjas1973

Brexit is not about individuals. It's about what is best for the whole of the UK now and in the future. It's not about what is best for some British citizens who live in the EU. It's about a way forward for the UK without the restraints or bureaucracy of the EU

That.. explains a great deal.

...and there it is

I assume that includes the British in NI too?

Brexit is not about individuals. It's about what is best for the whole of the UK now and in the future.

It’s certainly not what’s best for the UK now and it’s unlikely to be so in the future. It would be nice to have one instance of Brexit being good in either case (sadly I have to stipulate true facts and disallow non-advantages such as blue passports).

Brexit is not about individuals. It's about what is best for the whole of the UK now and in the future. It's not about what is best for some British citizens who live in the EU. It's about a way forward for the UK without the restraints or bureaucracy of the EU.
The fact that it's demonstrably going to shit shows how deluded the whole process of Brexit was. It's isn't best for the whole UK, (see Scotland/NI), we are haemorrhaging tax take, and we will recover slower than anyone in the G7 from the pandemic. How is any of that good for the UK?

just close your eyes and believe and dont be nasty to the challenged

Didn't we have Farage on the other day, saying that he never said Brexit would be beneficial?

I can see that for the Tim Martins if they no longer have a ready supply of eastern EU citizens, and they are forced into paying decent wages for their staff, and stop this zero hours rubbish, and pseudo self employment, that it might eventually be a benefit of Brexit. But that will take a number of years, which does not sound like we held all the cards and had the easiest deals in history.

If Tory voters wake up eventually to see how de Pfeffle is selling them down the river, leading to the eventual destruction of the current incarnation of the Tory party, then that too will be a bonus.

Economic forecasters expect our economy to recover faster than any in Europe except Germany .
This was on the BBC website this week.
One of the main advantages of Brexit as far as I am concerned is the new points based immigration system which means that citizens from outside the EU can now come and live and work here on the same basis as those from the EU. With freedom of movement these people were at a disadvantage.

If you read what Tim Martin actually said it was that he was having trouble recruiting in a few coastal areas. Nothing more.
Of course our tax take is down. People have been furloughed on less than full pay so are paying less tax.

With freedom of movement these people were at a disadvantage.
Now everyone is at a disadvantage. Your narrative only makes sense if you view the EU as a club that we abided by but was not party to. It's a nonsense to think that making things more difficult for everyone benefits the country.

Jason, Brexit and the new immigration system makes competition for jobs here fairer because people from many countries can apply on equal terms. When we were in the EU Europeans had an advantage through freedom of movement.
It makes us more open to non Europeans.

I understand that - but how does that benefit the UK?
Answer - it doesn't.

Here's the BBC report you mentioned.

Which countries will recover fastest from the pandemic? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56328863