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Westminstenders: The New Era

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2021 16:38

Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

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wewereliars · 26/05/2021 22:09

its Mumsnet , not the Old Bailey

pointythings · 26/05/2021 22:10

I also think we should just stop engaging with this - it'll be used to get another lot of us banned and these threads shut down.

Paralithic · 26/05/2021 22:11

yellowspanner is right, making a statement that people traffickers fund the Tory party requires some actual evidence.

jasjas1973 · 26/05/2021 22:21

@Paralithic

yellowspanner is right, making a statement that people traffickers fund the Tory party requires some actual evidence.
Which she got.

Tory links to Russian money is public knowledge and many of these people have links back to the Kremlin... qed.

Aside people can say what they like here (within MN rules) and do not have to back it up, which i believe 'Spanner said herself in regard to economic argument.

yellowspanner · 26/05/2021 22:35

I haven't threatened anyone. I have told the Conservative party as I said I would.

Paralithic · 26/05/2021 22:35

I’d disagree with the blanket statement that Russian oligarchs fund the Tory Party ergo people traffickers fund the Tory Party.

Which of the Tory funding Russian oligarchs are proven people traffickers?

jasjas1973 · 26/05/2021 22:41

@Paralithic

I’d disagree with the blanket statement that Russian oligarchs fund the Tory Party ergo people traffickers fund the Tory Party.

Which of the Tory funding Russian oligarchs are proven people traffickers?

You ve not really read the thread have you?

Links were given that a tory party donor has connections to the Kremlin, another link was about US findings that the Kremlin is involved in trafficking...

jasjas1973 · 26/05/2021 22:43

@yellowspanner

I haven't threatened anyone. I have told the Conservative party as I said I would.
They've got nothing else on their minds atm, so well done.
HarrietPierce · 26/05/2021 22:44

"I haven't threatened anyone. I have told the Conservative party as I said I would."

Really ?

wewereliars · 26/05/2021 22:49

Tory HQ clearing the decks and pulling an all nighter Grin

borntobequiet · 26/05/2021 22:52

@yellowspanner

I haven't threatened anyone. I have told the Conservative party as I said I would.
Goodness me. How...public spirited.
Paralithic · 26/05/2021 22:56

Yes, I have read the thread.

Some of Tory party donors are of Russian origin. Some have links with the Kremlin. The Kremlin benefits from human trafficking.

That doesn’t necessarily mean the Tory party donors are people traffickers.

Strangely, the poster that made the allegation posted a picture of Savile and Thatcher to back up their claim.

And no, I’m not CCHQ.

DrBlackbird · 26/05/2021 23:01

Can I suggest that we stop engaging with these deliberate efforts to derail the conversations? Elements have you got an interesting 🐿 fact for us?

Paralithic · 26/05/2021 23:05

Or maybe suggest that posters don’t make unverifiable assertions to derail the thread in the first place?

jasjas1973 · 26/05/2021 23:09

Some of Tory party donors are of Russian origin. Some have links with the Kremlin. The Kremlin benefits from human trafficking

That doesn’t necessarily mean the Tory party donors are people traffickers

Its a very strong connection, one that shouldn't exist & thats before we get to the murders/poisoning of dissidents, journalists, support for Belarus.

Does anyone serious think that Putin allows these people to fund the tory party out of kindness?

Paralithic · 26/05/2021 23:20

Churnukhin is one of the larger Russian Tory donors - left Russia in 2004 after falling out with Putin. That could just be a lie to cover up Kremlin money funding the Tories?

Or wealthy Russians might just see the UK as an easy money laundering opportunity, and funding the Tories as the party in government is greasing the wheels?

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2021 23:50

Re Cummings.

His rantings today are all about his ego. His argument is incoherent and largely getting taken apart on Newsnight by people who are generally actually anti-Johnson.

This does not mean that Johnson is fit for office or wasn't negligent on the job.

More that Cummings rantings about how we need these amazing super hero people like him in the civil service, is frankly largely unrealistic and a fantasy. If for no other reason but the public sector pay is pretty shitty in comparison for what these super heroes would be paid in the private sector.

His ideas of revolutionising things fall flat on their arse like fantasies about the most amazing trade deal in history with the EU being anything but being in the EU.

As for Russian money. Money always chases power and vice versa. The Conservative Party is supported by some of the most wealthy people in the UK. They will always gravitate to others with money from across the globe because of business. Russians coming here aren't any different to Saudias or UAE citizens. Its just about money and power. Of course this makes it not that difficult for foreign powers with state related reasons to take advantage of that opportunity / cover. Its what every Bond movie is about. I'd argue there isn't a great deal of difference between lobbying and international espionage at times because its all about trying to influence people to do the things you want which are aligned with your own political ambition.

The UK doesn't have a lot of anti lobbying laws. And it has long been a centre for the ultra rich going back centuries. And we aren't too bothered about off shore bank accounts etc (much less than we should be).

I don't believe it's restricted to the Conservative Party particularly though. If we had a Labour government we'd see similar - they have plenty of wealthy donors - indeed where is a lot of the influence for identity politics coming from? Clue: Its not being led by the working class white van man from Hull nor the dyed in the wool former mining union rep from St Helens. The main difference is merely that the Conservative Party has more super rich supporters and so we get more of the same effect of flies around horse shit.

Ultimately the problem come back to an issue in the uk with the ability to offshore your money and to bypass taxation via a bloody good accountant. Something that you have to be earning above a certain amount to afford in the first place.

I said before Cummings would try and seek revenge for his sacking. At this point why the media continues to feed his ego is beyond me.

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Peregrina · 26/05/2021 23:58

But anyone who was active in Peace Groups during the 1980s will know, they were constantly accused of being funded by Russia. The Treasurer of my local group used to shake his head sadly, say he couldn't find any trace of this money, and therefore regrettably had to ask us to dip into our pockets once more. Yet the Tory Party now takes money from Putin, and that's fine? Times change.

jasjas1973 · 27/05/2021 08:32

I don't think there is any equivalence between funding of the Tory party and Labour, its just Whataboutery.

One has links back to the Kremlin and the other has fully audited accounts from Unions, which get their money from members who can easily opt out of political levy.

Which shareholders of the many companies who fund the tories cannot not.

Then there is the Govt providing weapons to Saudi to use on Yemeni civilians, whilst cutting aid at the same time to Yemen and many other of the worlds most vulnerable.

BlackeyedSusan · 27/05/2021 08:50

Sits at the bottom of the thread practising owl noises to audition for bunbury's orchestra. Bunbury's had some good ideas Wink

TheElementsSong · 27/05/2021 09:55

Elements have you got an interesting 🐿 fact for us?

I posted the squirrel-auto-fellatio link upthread, which I thought was very appropriate!

DrBlackbird · 27/05/2021 10:28

@TheElementsSong

Elements have you got an interesting 🐿 fact for us?

I posted the squirrel-auto-fellatio link upthread, which I thought was very appropriate!

How did I miss this important fact?! Clearly that is one posting I need to go read... Grin
DrBlackbird · 27/05/2021 10:32

Had to go look up bunbury... definitely useful advice BlackeyedSusan

HappyWinter · 27/05/2021 14:13

Thanks for the update RedToothbrush. No surprise that Cummings is singing like a canary, there may be a grain of truth in some of the things he says (the Covid response was not adequate and Johnson has made inappropriate comments before) but he definitely has an axe to grind. They are well matched.

jasjas1973 · 27/05/2021 14:25

An axe grind sure but i'm a believer, too much of what he says has been backed up by the CH association, PPE suppliers, LD chaos in the autumn/winter, anecdotal NHS staff (my own DD experiences) and of course a very high death rate.

But it wont make any difference, Johnson supporters will defend these people to the n'th degree, large tory majority at next GE.