Westminstenders: The New Era

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Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

Yes Dr Blackbird, the self righteousness would be hilarious if not for the unnecessary deaths.

It's a shame he didnt find his concern for the welfare of the country when he could have effected change and before he was slung off the top table

DGR, are you really saying that the UK Conservative Party is funded by human traffickers? That is a very serious allegation which I am sure they will be interested to refute. Please give me evidence as I intend to report your accusation to them.

Agree wewere and funny how he's now claiming he felt powerless to influence Johnson a year ago yet during his Rose Garden talk, he spoke of the pressure deciding what key pieces of information Johnson needed to be told... None of this lot seem happy to be held accountable.

Another thread has already been started... someone arguing he's in with Gove on this to undermine Johnson. Interesting but not likely to help the tentacled one given that every Tory MP despises Dom.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4254924-Cummings-evidence-today

DGR, are you saying that a picture of Margaret Thatcher and Jimmy Saville is evidence that people traffickers are funding the Tory party?
Please give me evidence of your accusation.

DGR

Are you really accusing the Tory party of keeping questionable company?!?

I'm sure there's a picture lying around somewhere of Thatcher having tea with the estimable Pinochet.

Or more recently Priti Patel, good friend of Rupert Murdoch, blocking the report into high level police and media corruption which led to an axe embedded in the head of Daniel Morgan.

Keep your friends close...

Can you name a single non-trade area where the ECJ had jurisdiction?

Some ECJ Immigration and asylum rulings here:

Mea culpa - I should have asked
Can you name a single non-trade area where the ECJ had jurisdiction over the UK?

This is the document from the council that established the burden sharing which Poland, Hungary etc breached:
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32015D1601

If you were to read this you'd see that it did not apply to the UK - this was not an area we derogated any authority to the EU - to save you the effort I reproduce the paragraph 47 here - you'll find this same paragraph in many EU council decisions where the UK retained sovereignty.

(47) In accordance with Articles 1 and 2 of Protocol No 21 on the position of the United Kingdom and Ireland in respect of the area of freedom, security and justice, annexed to the TEU and to the TFEU, and without prejudice to Article 4 of that Protocol, the United Kingdom is not taking part in the adoption of this Decision and is not bound by it or subject to its application.

@DrBlackbird

He seems to have developed a conscience since leaving government. Is this part of a de-programming that happens as one reemerges into life outside Westminster?

Mwahaha.

Ethics is just a stick he can beat Boris et al with while having none himself.

[quote DrBlackbird]Another thread has already been started... someone arguing he's in with Gove on this to undermine Johnson. Interesting but not likely to help the tentacled one given that every Tory MP despises Dom.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4254924-Cummings-evidence-today[/quote]
Quite possibly in with Gove, altho it may be more that they share the same enemy.

There have been knives out for Boris for a while.

Cummings can damage Boris even if everyone loathes him. He didn’t have to be likable just convincing.

Even Laura Kuenssberg wasn’t defending Johnson at lunchtime.

And Hat Mancock in the firing line too.

FrankieStein402
Mea culpa - I should have asked
Can you name a single non-trade area where the ECJ had jurisdiction over the UK?

Yes - some more ECJ rulings here:

December 2011
The EU's top court has backed legal challenges by non-EU asylum seekers who have resisted attempts by the UK and Ireland to send them back to Greece.

The ECJ said UK and Polish opt-outs from parts of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights were not relevant in this context.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16285573

14 June 2016
The British Government is within its rights to restrict benefits to some EU migrants, the European Court of Justice has ruled.

In a move that will be greeted with profound relief by David Cameron and the Remain campaign, the court threw out a challenge by the European Commission to the Government’s benefits crackdown.

The ruling is important because it strengthens the argument of Remain campaigners that the future reforms to free movement and welfare rules – as agreed in the EU renegotiation – will not be rolled back by the EU court.

However, for the Leave campaign, the judgment also reminds voters that aspects of the UK’s welfare system are subject to EU law.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-court-backs-uks-ability-restrict-child-benefits-migrants-a7081046.html

Winter 2017 | Legal Briefing

Landmark ECJ decision for derived right of residence for EEA family members.

The ruling will undoubtedly have a significant impact for the many EEA nationals residing in the UK with Third Country National (TCN) family members who previously ceased to enjoy residence rights under the Free Movement Directive (2004/38) (the Directive) upon naturalisation of the EEA national.

www.inhouselawyer.co.uk/legal-briefing/landmark-ecj-decision-for-derived-right-of-residence-for-eea-family-members/

25 April 2018 -
The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled asylum seekers who have been tortured can claim subsidiary protection in Europe if the country they were trying to be returned to was unable to provide adequate healthcare for post-traumatic stress.

The case involved a Sri Lankan who’d been refused asylum in the United Kingdom.

www.euronews.com/2018/04/24/ecj-ruling-boosts-europe-s-most-vulnerable-migrants

January 2019 -
The European Court of Justice (ECJ)...ruled that British authorities must accept asylum seekers who entered the EU via the UK for the period in which it is a member, even though it has announced its intention to leave the bloc.

The ruling is an affirmation of asylum procedures in Europe under the so-called Dublin rules, which gives EU member states the right to deport asylum seekers to their point of entry in the bloc.

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/14708/uk-must-take-back-refugees-despite-brexit-eu-s-top-court-rules

Cummings can damage Boris even if everyone loathes him. He didn’t have to be likable just convincing

I think he very likely achieved that... though BJ has a history of not being very nice to people who cross him.

I think they are both arseholes who thoroughly deserve each other.

DGR, please produce the evidence that you have that people traffickers are funding the Tory party. Surely if you have this evidence you must put it yin the public domain. Not only would it be illegal but I think the public should know who is funding the political parties as each donation about a certain amount has to be declared.

They’re all reprehensible megalomaniacs!

@yellowspanner

DGR, are you saying that a picture of Margaret Thatcher and Jimmy Saville is evidence that people traffickers are funding the Tory party? Please give me evidence of your accusation.

www.businessinsider.com/leaked-fincen-files-show-kremlin-links-to-conservative-party-donor-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

Yes - some more ECJ rulings here:
Yaay - thanks - perfect examples of our agreeing to be subject to ECJ in an area normally out of scope for the UK - because it was to our benefit! (Denmark didn't adopt this by the way.)

From the Dublin II agreement:
(17) In accordance with Article 3 of the Protocol on the position of the United Kingdom and Ireland, annexed to the Treaty on European Union and to the Treaty establishing the European Community, the United Kingdom and Ireland gave notice, by letters of 30 October 2001, of their wish to take part in the adoption and application of this Regulation.

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32003R0343

Jasjas, the accusation was that the Tory party are funded by human traffickers, not that they have links to the Kremlin.

@yellowspanner

Jasjas, the accusation was that the Tory party are funded by human traffickers, not that they have links to the Kremlin.

Lol so ok to be backed by Putin and his state sponsored murderers ?

Aside Criminal organisations do quite a bit of criminality, drugs, trafficking, money laundering.....

This Govt still hasn't cracked down on London being used by many corrupt govt's and individuals.

Stop badgering DGR, Yellowspammer, you are not the arbiter of the internet.

@yellowspanner

Jasjas, the accusation was that the Tory party are funded by human traffickers, not that they have links to the Kremlin.

hir.harvard.edu/putin-and-human-trafficking/

So Tory funding links to the Kremlin, who authorised state murder on two occasions in the UK and who shot down a Dutch airliner killing over 200 people and that same Kremlin linked to trafficking.

Hope you aren't voting Tory at the next GE now Yellow?

Wewereliars, asking for evidence of an accusation of criminal behaviour is not harassment.

It kind of is if you're threatening to report someone to the Conservative Party. I wouldn't be engaging with you either if you did that to me.