Westminstenders: The New Era

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Scotland.
The GFA.
Its not Brexit Honest.
Levelling Up Shitholes caused by Tory austerity.
Babymilk Shortages
Cronyism

But we did good with covid jabs.

Folks, I have no issues with looking at polls for leaving and remaining in the EU. None whatsoever.
It's just that when I posted about recent election results I meant really recent, not 5 years ago.

I think that those who still oppose Brexit would be unlikely to vote Tory with Boris as PM because he was at the forefront of the whole thing. But, I may be wrong.
I still maintain that recent election results and polling show that support for the Government is high. It's a Government that "got Brexit done", therefore I am assuming that support for the Government means support for Brexit.
May be wrong though.😉

therefore I am assuming that support for the Government means support for Brexit.

I think it's likely that you're quite wrong. I live in a very Tory area - we're talking seriously pig in a blue rosette - and I know plenty of Tory voters who voted Remain, still feel Brexit was a bad decision and yet vote Tory. Partly that is because it's tied up with their identity, partly it's because nationally we have no viable opposition. (Though in our recent local lections, the local Independent came within under 100 votes of unseating the Tory)

We all know Brexit was not just a Tory thing.
Let's see how it all goes when COVID recedes and the uplands continue failing to materialise.

@yellowspanner

Folks, I have no issues with looking at polls for leaving and remaining in the EU. None whatsoever. It's just that when I posted about recent election results I meant really recent, not 5 years ago.

I think that those who still oppose Brexit would be unlikely to vote Tory with Boris as PM because he was at the forefront of the whole thing. But, I may be wrong.
I still maintain that recent election results and polling show that support for the Government is high. It's a Government that "got Brexit done", therefore I am assuming that support for the Government means support for Brexit.
May be wrong though.😉

Fwiw i know plenty of people who voted tory, both in Dec 19 and at the council elections BUT do not support Brexit.

Most of these folk want a better arrangement with the EU.

Approx 55% of the voting electorate voted for pro EU parties in 2019 (I'm assuming Lab was then, not quite sure under Starmer what he wants now)

cutting burden of student loans
Could start by slashing interest rate to base rate - but that would mean cronies in student loans co lose their payday.. #protectcroniesatallcosts

Can't remember the exact rate, but iirc, Scottish student loans (for living expenses) are calculated at "base rate + 1%".

Plus students from households with a low income get a (non repayable) bursary of some thing like £1,700 in addition to the loan.

The downside is that graduates have to start repaying their loans at a lower threshold.

I think that those who still oppose Brexit would be unlikely to vote Tory

Brexit is done, and people vote as they do for many reasons other than Brexit.

Student loans are rather stupid aren't they? few will ever be fully repaid, so whats the point in them?
Other to help balance the books.

Far better to have much smaller loans that are affordable and will be repaid.

HE/FE needs to be seen as an investment, be it in degree courses or in trades.

Note that Johnson has taken one of Corbyns policies - Life Long Learning and made it his but you'll go into significant debt to take adv, so once again, spin over substance.

I was a mature student, the state paid all my tuition and gave me £600 per term.... i repaid that by being a 40% tax payer for much of life, as opposed to working in an unskilled sector, my brother was exactly the same, he has paid more tax than most us would ever earn!

@pointythings

therefore I am assuming that support for the Government means support for Brexit.

I think it's likely that you're quite wrong. I live in a very Tory area - we're talking seriously pig in a blue rosette - and I know plenty of Tory voters who voted Remain, still feel Brexit was a bad decision and yet vote Tory. Partly that is because it's tied up with their identity, partly it's because nationally we have no viable opposition. (Though in our recent local lections, the local Independent came within under 100 votes of unseating the Tory)

We all know Brexit was not just a Tory thing.
Let's see how it all goes when COVID recedes and the uplands continue failing to materialise.

I am going to watch the Chesham by-election with great interest. It is the next door electorate. Conservatives lost ground in this region in council elections- and there is a huge amount of dissatisfaction in my electorate with Gagan Mahindra who was dropped in after they kicked David Gauke out of the Conservative party. Gagan has zero visibility, and doesn't answer emails at all. People in the Chesham/Amersham area are in a lot of local Facebook pages where the fact he was a Johnson stooge.

It maybe that the Conservative party has taken these areas for granted and May get a shocked. I have never voted Tory - but could see the work the likes of Greive, Gauke and Dame Cheryl Gillian did for their electorates. I do note though the Conservatives appear to have selected a local - so maybe they see that as well.

I imagine that Cheshsm and Amersham will go the way the 2016 Witney by election did, when Cameron did a runner-the Lib Dems made a strong showing but it wasto much of a mountain to climb.

And so it begins...

US Council of Foreign Relations recommends the establishment of a "Concert of Major Powers" to help navigate the problems & issues of the 21st century.

The 6 World powers would be:

The US
China
The European Union
India
Japan
Russia

Well done Brexshittiers, you've taken us from a World power to something insignificant. The post Imperial delusion that membership of the EU helped to shore up is crumbling as we speak...

@Peregrina

I imagine that Cheshsm and Amersham will go the way the 2016 Witney by election did, when Cameron did a runner-the Lib Dems made a strong showing but it wasto much of a mountain to climb.

Probably- but it will still be interesting.

US Council of Foreign Relations

I heard them being interviewed this evening - saying that Brexit was a Bad Idea as it isolates and weakens the UK at a time when Europe would be stronger together.

I remember a German Govt minister saying the Germany outside of the EU would just be another small country on the world stage but in the EU, Germany has a strong voice.

Maybe the UK will find this out for themselves?

Looking through that list, the UK wouldn't really fit in, we are not an emerging power and do not have the strategic importance of Japan nor its navy.

@Bluethrough, student loans are products which are packaged and sold.

It's like tax farming of yore.

Jasjas, you deport them back to Syria or Somalia by plane.

God be with the pilots flying those planes...

I hope that retort to Jasjas was flippant.

If it wasn't then it's a good example of a preference for simple answers to complex questions.

With the Council of Foreign Relations the UK would try to hang onto the coat tails of the US as a major power-they would try to widen it to the "anglosphere" i.e. UK, USA and the White nations of the Commonwealth.

Darren Grimes on the benefits of Brexit:
twitter.com/mikegove12/status/1396539552479780864?s=20

Haven't starved to death! I thought the idea was that we would have a surfeit of good quality food!

Well as there is nothing else, I suppose we have to see not starving as a bonus !

What are the odds on this couple being Brexshittiers...

Ah, the leading Brexshit negotiator doesn't know what the benefits of Brexshit are.

And we wonder why the fucking morons Brexshit cheerleaders on here can't give us a straight answer...

@HannibalHayeski

Ah, the leading Brexshit negotiator doesn't know what the benefits of Brexshit are.

And we wonder why the fucking morons Brexshit cheerleaders on here can't give us a straight answer...

Remarkable, shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of the Single Market.

How did these people get into positions of power?

I'm sure Yellowhammer will come on to tell us how it's the willy of the people or something. Therefore we, or, win, we perhaps.

I do love Frost's circular arguments. They are so similar to the "benefits" that the Brexiters on this thread claim to have put forward but never have

Eg

Frost: Brexit is a huge opportunity for the whole country and the whole government to identify opportunities and to move them forward

#BrexitReality

Frost explains that the opportunity for brexit is the opportunity to find new opportunities

or

Frost: On the question of how we police the border with NI, they are UK officials applying EU law

#BrexitReality

Frost explains how the Uk has taken back control by making UK official apply EU law on the border with NI

Emoticons are mine

Just to amend: I don't just mean the "benefits" that Brexiters have claimed on this thread, for clarity I mean what they have failed to demonstrate purported to claim on these threads over the years