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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 20:50

Well the UK have just sent the navy to protect Jersey.

borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 20:55

@yellowspanner

Well the UK have just sent the navy to protect Jersey.
Another Brexit win. They just keep rolling in. Was it written on a bus? If not, I don’t know why not. Surely this is what everyone wanted.
LostToucan · 05/05/2021 20:57

Nice bit of patriotic flag waving for the day before Election Day.

mathanxiety · 05/05/2021 21:01

@Clavinova

You ignored;

Eighteenth-century buildings, interiors, and culture—French, English, American, Irish—are definitely among Kannalikham’s passions, and she’s been a regular presence at events hosted by the Institute of Classical Architecture & Art, including an eight-day ICAA tour in 2015 of great country houses in Ireland and Northern Ireland.

No I didn't.
I quoted it, juxtaposed with the bit you ignored, about the zebra skin desk.

My grandmother and several aunts and uncles and extended family members lived in lovely Georgian houses dotted around Ireland, and I am very familiar with the traditional style of decor you would expect to see in them. When I close my eyes and try to fit a zebra skin desk among my granny's lovely furniture I feel a bad case of the heebie-jeebies coming on.

It takes a mere $7000-8000 to do an ICAA tour of the houses (some now hotels) mentioned on the Ireland and NI itinerary. Doing the tour doesn't denote anything but the availability of that much spare dosh in the kitty, and perhaps the idea that reproducing all that is signified by those 'perpetual places' is something that can be done with wallpaper, carpets, fabrics, and getting the lighting right.

www.buzzfeed.com/jessek49223aa90/before-the-gold-rush-the-legendary-decorator-who-tried-and-f
When I interviewed Angelo Donghia, I was impressed, again and again, by the breadth of his knowledge. Not just about the history of design, but about Who’s Who. And about art. So he would have been amused — discreetly and privately — by the art now on display in the Trump triplex, especially the unquestionably fake painting on the wall behind Melania in recent photographs of her office. “La Loge” is the masterpiece painted by Pierre Renoir in 1874 and shown to great acclaim in the first Impressionist exhibition in Paris — and it’s been displayed at the Courtauld Institute of Art in London since 1925.

Even if it were real, “La Loge” would be a curious choice. Or it would be for anyone who knew anything about it. The painting is of a fashionable couple seated in a box at the theater. Although the woman is no longer young, she wears a lacy blouse that reveals impressive décolletage. Her smile is enigmatic. She could be a rich woman, content with her status. Then again, she could be a courtesan, thinking about her next playmate. In either event, she’s being betrayed, because her companion, seated behind her, has raised his binoculars to look to the balcony. That makes “La Loge” a painting that could almost be about the Trumps, both for his wandering eye and his perception that success is as much about being seen as about seeing.

mathanxiety · 05/05/2021 21:02

Well the UK have just sent the navy to protect Jersey.

From having their electricity cut off? How exactly is this to be accomplished?

mrslaughan · 05/05/2021 21:02

Did someone say Johnson knows how to negotiate?
How does sending gunboats in keep Jerseys power supply on?

It's immature Willy waving, that could end v v badly

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 21:02

Needing the Navy to protect your fishing grounds doesn't sound like a good deal. Good deals go smoothly.

Aren't the Navy going to be a bit stretched? Weren't they supposed to be patrolling the South China Sea to show the Chinese how important we are?

Lonelycrab · 05/05/2021 21:12

Well the UK have just sent the navy to protect Jersey

Brilliant

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 21:24

I am old enough to remember the Cod Wars with Iceland. They did not end well for the UK.

I don't know where I heard it, but the Icelanders were supposed to have used old rust buckets to ram RN destroyers, causing millions of damage. I don't know whether that is true or not.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 21:26

But that is a change from yesterday when Johnson decreed it was Jersey's problem to sort out.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 21:30

I thought this was news from a few days ago about the EU Ambassador being granted full dipomatic status.

A comment I note is that it was done in the margins of the G7 summit. Was there, I wonder some pressure brought to bear?

borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 21:36

It’s BJ’s Falklands moment! Huzza for BoJo! Hearts of Oak etc etc.

Reminds me of when I worked in the Keppel’s Head on the Hard in Pompey. No one knew where the Falklands were (well, no one in the bar). They thought they were near Scotland. The pub has since lost its apostrophe, a sad sign of the times, though at least people know where the Falklands are now. I wonder how many could find Jersey on a map?

mrslaughan · 05/05/2021 21:38

@Peregrina

But that is a change from yesterday when Johnson decreed it was Jersey's problem to sort out.
Must have decided he needed the votes...... which is interesting.......I thought he was meant to be way ahead in Hartlepool? Not going to help with council elections? Or Scotland? Is it a distraction?
borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 21:39

That was when the fleet was about to sail...

borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 21:41

Is it a distraction?

I realise that right now, everything is a distraction from something else and the strategy is to keep this up until no-one can think straight any more.

mathanxiety · 05/05/2021 21:46

@Peregrina I think I saw that on John Craven's Newsround. Heavy seas, Icelandic coast guard gunboats, British frigates.

mathanxiety · 05/05/2021 21:51

“They should be using the mechanisms of our new treaty to solve problems; that is exactly what it is there for.” (UK government official)

See also the Northern Ireland Protocol.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 22:10

Johnson was going to move heaven and earth to go and campaign in Scotland he said, but decided not to.

I hope the SNP do well tomorrow, although I do agree having one party dominance isn't good anywhere.

Raab almost certainly won't know where Jersey is. He perhaps thinks it's near the Isle of White (sic) or near the Scillies.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 22:12

But with the Falklands Thatcher had the US behind her.

I do not think that this is necessarily the case with Johnson.

prettybird · 05/05/2021 22:17

Ds' old secondary school offers Urdu as an equal choice to French and/or German/Spanish (which are offered in alternate years ds was a "Spanish" year ) and it can be studied all the way up to Advanced Higher if wanted.

It's a reflection of the demographics of the school. #justsaying Wink

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 23:17

Bornto,
What on Earth are you talking about "it it written on a bus".
It makes no sense.
The government have sent the navy to protect fishing waters in and around Jersey.
How can that have been written on a bus?

And Peregrina, I notice that you have not answered my question about whether you think it right that France are threatening to cut off the electricity to Jersey. You go on and on about Clavinova not answering your questions.
How about answering mine.

HannibalHayeski · 05/05/2021 23:26

Lucy Fisher
@LOS_Fisher
NEW: Boris Johnson has deployed two Royal Navy Offshore Patrol Vessels to Jersey

PM & Chief Minister of Jersey this eve discussed prospect of St Helier blockade

They "stressed the urgent need for a de-escalation in tensions" & dialogue with France on fishing access, says No 10"

"We need to de-escalate this" says man sending two warships to the scene...

mathanxiety · 06/05/2021 05:35

Actually, the Navy has been sent to prevent French fishing boats from blockading the main port of Jersey. Apparently the fishermen were making noises about engaging in that time-honoured French practice.

Peregrina · 06/05/2021 06:59

And Peregrina, I notice that you have not answered my question about whether you think it right that France are threatening to cut off the electricity to Jersey. You go on and on about Clavinova not answering your questions.
How about answering mine.

Far from it, you appear to have missed it. At 6:57 on 5th May I asked if anyone thought it reasonable for the French to cut off the electricity? Does that not imply the answer that it's not? This is where I mentioned jaw-jaw being better than war-war, which you appeared not to understand.

I later went on comment that a territory outside the EU looked as though it had been dropped into a conflict not of its own making. Finally at 12:52 asked where had the conflict come from? I suggested that Johnson got back to the negotiating table. I didn't specifically mention electricity there, it was about blockading Jersey.

Yes, it was stupid threat, made I think by their fisheries minister speaking extremely unwisely, but it hasn't been a threat from the French Government, to my knowledge. It still means that sitting round the table and negotiating properly is the best way forward.

That may not be the answer you want, but it's a pretty full one. If you want me to say boo hoo nasty EU bullying us, nasty French bullying us, we were doing nothing but minding our own business then I can't. Johnson negotiated a bad deal and now it's beginning to rebound on him. A skillful negotiator would not have let this problem arise.

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