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Brexit

Westminstenders: Sleaze. The Return.

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2021 13:37

The Brexit Agreement is still not signed. The EU are still pissed off with our bad attitude and how we managed to a have better deal on AstraZeneca's vaccines which they don't seem to like anyway.

The Ireland / NI border is still a mess. Both politically and economically. This is apparently something that wasn't discussed pre referedum, with regular Westminstenders suffering from collective delusions over remembering differently and reading madeup stories which just happen to be dated prior to the referendum. Its a sign of how good fake news has got.

The lying architect of Vote Leave is complaining about the lying of Vote Leave's biggest champion and cheerleader, countered with the pm who cheated on his ex wife multiple times and ran off with a younger woman accusing his former aid of being deeply sexist.

The government is embroiled in numerous accusations of lining its own pockets following the brexit power grab by the right wing of the party. Which of course wasn't a worry pre referendum. As of course accountability generally.

In keeping with taking a lead on the world stage, we have seen through our promises to cut back on overseas aid, instead preferring to spend money on trading. This is well represented by our purchasing of 10million AZ vaccines from India with not much sign of sending aid to help with the unfolding humanitarian crisis there.

Our post Brexit foreign policy looks muddled at best. The new world order is a big confusing. We dont mind trading with regimes which have human rights abuses... As long as they are countries which are smaller than us and we can exploit. We don't particularly like China atm because we aren't getting much out of the shitting on others. Plus its not really proving a great opportunity for Westerners to line their pockets like other dodgy regimes because its generally closed to outsiders and this is even more true in covid times.

But don't worry, we will soon be able to go abroad again on our covid passports. The 17th May beckons when the penny will drop that efforts to integrate medical records with passport data which apparently border agencies are working on, isn't ready yet and that doesn't matter because other countries won't be ready to let us in yet, especially since we are outside the EU and EEA and we haven't been great at talking to them. And we probably will still have to quarantine on return anyway. (End of June is still optimistic but more realistic).

We've still to impose customs checks yet because we didn't want to do it in April in case that meant the shops would be empty when they reopened. So we still have that joy to look forward to. Great for EU exporters. Less great for uk exporters. For now.

Of course we have the May Council elections to look forward to, in which it will become apparent just how fucking useless and invisible Keir Starmer is and how Labour policies are not connecting with voters in spite of all of the above. Mainly due to navel gazing and an inability to get beyond their social circle. Any good ideas they do have are promptly nicked by the Tories.

Post Brexit talk of reviewing the Monarchy are also growing in steam...

If we look back it feels like the sleaziness of the early nineties has returned but with no prospect of joining the Eu, no John Smith or Smiling Tony to inspire, no coming Cool Brittania to cheer us up. Just sleaze tolerated and accepted, rather than rejected. And one massive debt than had been largely repaid.

Its hard to see where we go from here. We seem bewildered by geography and confused by technology. Unwilling to invest in science and no longer aligned with the right people to collaborate effectively.

Instead we are more pre occupied with in fighting.

As a friend said to me this week, they had started to watch alternative news channels to British based ones because she felt we had become so inward looking. She felt like our mentality was increasing like the US which simply was unaware of events and ideas beyond our borders. I think its a comment that has so much ressonnance.

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yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 12:32

I see you are all blaming Boris for the fact that the French are threatening to cut off supplies of electricity to Jersey.
Last time I looked Boris was PM here not President of France. Does Macron not have a say here.
Regardless of what the UK does or does not do the French should not be threatening to cut off the electricity supply to Jersey which will affect hospitals, schools, and care homes. Operating theatres, ventilators and all of the other high tech medical machinery will be affected.
Do you really think this is acceptable.
To my mind it is akin to war.
There is nothing any government does that justifies this.

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 12:33

This is not about whether Boris cares about Jersey or about dropping some cards.
It is about vital services in Jersey which the French are threatening to cut off.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 12:52

Yes, well Johnson had better get back to the negotiating table. If it's apparently nothing to do with him and Brexit, why weren't the French threatening to blockade Jersey two years ago, four years ago or whenever? What happened is that the Transition came to an end. Johnson was too lazy and too full of bombast to negotiate properly. When he did come back with a last minute deal, the fisheries Minister had an activity that she deemed more important to attend to, so couldn't be bothered to read the deal and say "Wait, this has implications."

loginfail · 05/05/2021 12:53

It's about Great Britain actually agreeing to abide by some of the agreements it signed up to as a result of Brexit.

The feeling of some French politicians, certainly some of those operating at a local level in the north west of France is that some UK politicians need to "encouraged" to actually abide by their promises.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 12:55

What is the betting that Johnson will cave in? It won't be done with a big fanfare, the willy waving is for the Brexiters.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 13:01

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/tory-quarrels-betrayals-uk-post-brexit-future-barnier-eu

I look forward to the English translation.

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 13:09

The article concludes “There are lessons to be drawn from Brexit,” he writes. “There are reasons to listen to the popular feeling that expressed itself then, and continues to express itself in many parts of Europe – and to respond to it. That is going to take time, respect and political courage.”

I don't agree with Barnier here. Most people in England neither knew nor cared about the EU. The feelings were against austerity and immigration (despite the protests we see here).

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 13:14

An example of welcoming, global Britain. Note that the two people quoted here are Commonwealth citizens, to whom the country might be considered to have some obligations.

loginfail · 05/05/2021 13:18

FWIW, especially for the francophones, here's what the French Minister said, verbatim..

Mme Annick Girardin, ministre.

Partager l'interventionComme je l’ai dit aux professionnels, ces nouvelles conditions sont nulles et non avenues. Elles n’ont pas à être mises en application. Je resterai inflexible là-dessus ; il faut les dénoncer, et nous le faisons régulièrement, Clément Beaune et moi. Comme vous le savez, l’accord prévoit des mesures de rétorsion, et nous sommes prêts à les utiliser. L’Europe, la France ont des moyens à leur disposition. En ce qui concerne Jersey, il s’agit, par exemple, du transport d’électricité par câble sous-marin. Je regretterais de devoir en arriver là, mais nous le ferons s’il faut le faire. Régulièrement, Clément Beaune et moi montons au créneau au nom du Gouvernement. Nous ne lâcherons rien : l’accord, rien que l’accord de décembre dernier. (Applaudissements sur plusieurs bancs du groupe LaREM.)

From

www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/ ... 21#2507172

DGRossetti · 05/05/2021 13:35

I had a feeling the raw French might have been toned down ...

borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 13:44

I see you are all blaming Boris for the fact that the French are threatening to cut off supplies of electricity to Jersey.

No, we’re blaming him for botching what was really his only job - delivering a Brexit that wouldn’t destroy the economy or imperil our international standing - as a consequence of which, all these untoward things are happening.

FatCatThinCat · 05/05/2021 14:53

Damn us remoany types for blaming Boris, brexiteer-in-chief, for the consequences of brexit.

Blacktothepink · 05/05/2021 15:12

But...everyone knew what they were voting for...

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 15:22

I thought 'it was easiest deals in history', not 'cripple an industry of a non EU territory'.

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 16:42

Peregrina, I did not say whether Boris does or does not care about Jersey.
I said if France cuts the electricity to Jersey then it is France's responsibility.
Do you accept that?

DGRossetti · 05/05/2021 16:42

No, we’re blaming him for botching what was really his only job - delivering a Brexit that wouldn’t destroy the economy or imperil our international standing - as a consequence of which, all these untoward things are happening.

The problem has always been that is an impossible job. Omelette and breaking eggs and all that.

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 16:45

I knew what I was voting for when I voted to leave. And it had nothing to do with austerity.
I repeat. You can't blame our PM for decisions taken in France by French politicians. I notice you aren't condemning them.

borntobequiet · 05/05/2021 16:51

You can't blame our PM for decisions taken in France by French politicians

But we’re not. We’re blaming him for this disastrous Brexit.

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 17:09

Of course Boris is responsible for implementing the result of the 2016 referendum. No argument there and he gained a large majority in the HoC to do it.
I am blaming Macron for threatening to cut off electricity supplies to Jersey.
Uk responsible for the first and France for the second.

pointythings · 05/05/2021 17:34

Well, maybe if the British abided by the agreement they signed off on, it wouldn't have come to this?

Peregrina · 05/05/2021 17:39

So you speak for the 17 million who voted Leave do you yellowspanner?
You can't blame Johnson for Macron's decisions, but it's easy to blame him for being a lousy negotiator. He got Brexit done, and the first group he shafted were some of his most vocal Brexit supporters. If he can't accommodate people on his own side, how do you expect him to negotiate with those of differing opinions? Yet this is what a country's leader needs to be able to do.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 05/05/2021 17:47

Oh look. Quelle surprise, UK desperate for trade deals.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56985363
"UK and India agree to let more young people in".
How many intelligent self-respecting young women are going to want to go to India to develop their careers exactly? How much 2-way traffic will there be, of which sex?

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 17:57

Peregrina, I'm intrigued.
Where did I claim to speak for the 17 million? Please show me so I can correct it.
I speak for nobody else, just me.

yellowspanner · 05/05/2021 18:00

Can I just get this clear.
Are you all saying that it is Boris' fault that France are threatening to cut off the electricity to Jersey.
Forgive me. I was under the impression that France as a sovereign nation made their own decisions.

pointythings · 05/05/2021 18:07

@yellowspanner

Can I just get this clear. Are you all saying that it is Boris' fault that France are threatening to cut off the electricity to Jersey. Forgive me. I was under the impression that France as a sovereign nation made their own decisions.
Of course France makes her own sovereign decisions. But the complete fuckup that is the agreement that was drawn up over fish is down to Boris and his cronies and their appalling inability to negotiate.

Ideally France would not resort to this action. But that would mean the British actually doing the decent thing and adhering to an agreement they had signed up to, in letter and in spirit.

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