Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

[RedToothBrush]

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

[quote TheABC]@RockyRoadster, thank you. That's sounds a bit like shades of North Korea; "let's throw up a big blockade and make everything ourselves" mentality. Not exactly the buccaneering spirit I had hoped for, from the Brexit lot.

Going back to the NIP, I can see Johnson oscillating between option 1 and 2 and then his sucessor coming along and doing 3 in a effort to be different/bury the bloody problem.[/quote]
Johnson has to pretend to the EU and his own side that he's Boris Big Bollocks and can happily buccaneer through the world doing whatever suits team Brexit. So that's (1)

But when he puts his "friend of the US" face on, he has to sign as loud as possible about (2) and how committed the UK is to it.

With the added frisson that neither side ever trusted him to start with, let alone now.

I have no idea what powers the US Congress might possess when united. However, it would be the work of an executive order to suspend trade with any country the US determines is undermining a US backed peace agreement. Could be done in a coffee break. And that's before the UK has received the bill from US companies for Brexit.

It’s not about trading with the rest of the world, but says now is the time to start making more goods in the UK.
Most people cannot afford Dualit appliances.
Neither tea nor coffee grow in the UK last time I checked

Army has the begging bowl out

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56386446

£37 billion in test and trace lads. We may not be able to find the Russkies (and I have to question how they suddenly got to #1 again ...) but we will know who they've been in contact with.

Eventually.

Not in the UK media ...

Not so DGR - I think the Express had a piece on it, about how Johnson was going to be Angry with Biden . I can just see Biden quaking in his boots, having sleepless nights waiting for Johnson's phone call.

The information was served up on my facebook page, and as is the way - it's gone and disappeared, so I can't quote.

I'd forgotten HOW shit the Express is
www.express.co.uk/news/world/1409213/brexit-news-joe-biden-trade-deal-northern-ireland-protocol-simon-coveney-ben-habib-donald

@Peregrina

Not in the UK media ...

Not so DGR - I think the Express had a piece on it, about how Johnson was going to be Angry with Biden . I can just see Biden quaking in his boots, having sleepless nights waiting for Johnson's phone call.

The information was served up on my facebook page, and as is the way - it's gone and disappeared, so I can't quote.

I know the Express had a story last week (?) about fury at Bidens Brexit betrayal.

But generally, unless I drop my inbound rule filter to "batshit" my network never sees the express.

I'd forgotten HOW shit the Express is

Someone commented on my FB that the problem with using the Express as toilet paper is it leaves more shit behind than you started with.

Britain is dispatching an official from the Northern Ireland Office to Washington in a bid to counter Irish influence in the US capital as criticism grows at the highest levels in the US about Britain’s decision to breach the terms of the Brexit agreement.

Wishing him or her the luck o' the Irish.

@mathanxiety

Britain is dispatching an official from the Northern Ireland Office to Washington in a bid to counter Irish influence in the US capital as criticism grows at the highest levels in the US about Britain’s decision to breach the terms of the Brexit agreement.

Wishing him or her the luck o' the Irish.

DB has been told by a few people that "The UK are friends. Ireland is family"

Britain is dispatching an official

I suppose they could try sending Chris Grayling. He doesn’t seem to have a disaster to oversee at present.

I think the Johnson Government has completely underestimated the Irish influence in the USA.

"Don't they know who we are?"

Along with "I thought we had a special relationship" the one that the UK keeps saying it has and the US lets us think we have, as it means we'll do what they ask

@ListeningQuietly, just to pre-empt Clav...we do grow tea in this country. Tregothnan Estate has been going strong since 2005.

However, you will be out of luck for cocoa or coffee.

I think the Johnson Government has completely underestimated the Irish influence in the USA.
I think Johnson and his followers have completely overestimated the UK influence everywhere since 2016 and still are.

And it's not just in the USA that they've underestimated Irish influence. Good for you Ireland!

@TheABC
I am very well aware of Tregothnan. I've had some of their tea.
It does not come in packs big enough for offices

I grow coffee and have actually made a tiny cup from my own beans.
It was vile
because the UK climate is not right for the ripening.

Cocoa : the Living Rainforest near Newbury once harvested and processed enough cocoa to make about half a teaspoon of chocolate.

Brexiters forget that the countries we used to plunder as part of the Empire have their own governments now

@ListeningQuietly - I need to know more about your coffee experiments!

I am resolutely ignoring Tregothnan's tea subscriptions at the moment.

just to pre-empt Clav...we do grow tea in this country. Tregothnan Estate has been going strong since 2005.

To be fair, I think even Clav would recognise that as a stretch. I have shoes that are older.

Anyway, you also need the skillz to grow things. Terracing, water management, land husbandry. And tea and coffee growing is generally labour intensive. And as we now know, there isn't a cats chance in hell of UK businesses being able to attract or willing to pay to accommodate that reality.

Slightly OT, but I had to smile when Useless Eustace was proposing to spend that £100 million the fisherfolk had been "promised" for support on a purification facility instead. I say smile, it was more a grimace. However it kind of confirmed my suspicions that when all the shouting is over, those fisherfolk won't see a penny.

TheABC
I'll try to find you some pictures that are not too outing as many are already on DH's website
but basically we bought a plant at the Eden Project
and kept it alive for several years.
Easy to get to flower, pretty easy to set fruit but they did not ripen well.
The bush is really pretty but does need vv high humidity and min temp of 12C day or night.

Tea is much easier - as its basically a variety of Camellia.

^I grow coffee and have actually made a tiny cup from my own beans.
It was vile because the UK climate is not right for the ripening.^

DF is having moderate success with his vines. However he'd make the same point. It's not so much England hasn't got the climate, more that it's in the order. Summers aren't too bad, but you need long warm autumn days to finish ripening grapes. Obviously you can play around with genetics to try and find a more fitting genotype. But we return to my point about skills again. And grapes - like most fruit crops - are a hybrid rootstock anyway.

Ditto with my own vine - the growth is vigorous but the crop although plentiful is extremely disappointing.

The same with the fig tree. It sets a wonderful second crop many years, but the growing season is too short for them to ripen.

Grape vines I succeed with : lovely to eat and make excellent jelly.
Vines grown with the right aspect can make good wine in the UK
but not much of it.

Figs : my tree is too small at the moment but last year's fruit tasted of nothing.
Grown against a wall they can ripen

BUT
Why spend loads of money insulating and protecting plants that grow MUCH BETTER in their native habitat

What is it with Italians and figs ? DF is having a bash at those too. And cherries (yuck).

I have neither the time nor inclination to dabble with anything growing.

Why spend loads of money insulating and protecting plants that grow MUCH BETTER in their native habitat

Well you could try and breed or develop strains that are more suited to the UK climate. But you'll hit the fundamental problem they'll never be as cheap as strains that are already growing in their perfect clime.

DGR
Indeed
hence why the UK has been importing dried fruit from the Med for over 2000 years

I have a little coffee plant that doesn't flower or seed, I don't think it is in its happy place. It must be the temperature or humidity.

@ListeningQuietly

DGR Indeed hence why the UK has been importing dried fruit from the Med for over 2000 years

While we exported grain and hunting dogs ...