Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

Au Contraire - thanks to our wonderful vaccination programme it looks like a particularly sunny summer for us.

The vaccination programme has indeed been wonderful. We should be grateful that it wasn't handed over to SERCO, Dido or Deloitte but was instead given to the NHS to implement. Let's not ever forget that.

Gaspode
The Brits in France driving licence thing is really awful.
Leclerc formerly of this Parish has done all of his residency stuff but the driving licence is still stuck.
He has tried to obey the rules but UK red tape is in the way.

We should be grateful that it wasn't handed over to SERCO, Dido or Deloitte but was instead given to the NHS to implement.

Absolutely. Can't stress this enough.

I was reading some accounts in the colour supplement of the weekend Guardian written by people who had lost loved ones to Covid during the first lockdown. Some of them expressed annoyance that with the vaccine roll out their losses have been forgotten. Another expressed annoyance that people were only bothered about pubs and activities re-opening, whereas what should be looked forward to was that there were no covid deaths any more.

The Brexiters think that the vaccine is the be all and end all because it's the one chance that they have to get one over on the EU - many of whom neither knew nor cared much about it just over five years ago. Eventually the EU will catch up on a vaccine programme, so I wonder what they will use then to slag off the EU. Time would be better spent listing all those wonders of Brexit. So far the only ones who potentially appear to be about to benefit are rich tax avoiders, and criminals who can't be extradited.

I wonder what Brexiters think of Canada suspending the use of AZ vaccines for those under 55? I expect that will somehow slip under their radar - it's only when the EU does it that it matters.

I honestly don't know what the true situation is. It does rather look as though Canada is being ultra cautious.

@Peregrina

I wonder what Brexiters think of Canada suspending the use of AZ vaccines for those under 55? I expect that will somehow slip under their radar - it's only when the EU does it that it matters.

I honestly don't know what the true situation is. It does rather look as though Canada is being ultra cautious.

DW and I had the AZ vaccine nearly 6 weeks ago with zero effects.

Just for anecdata.

I'd be interested to know if there is any correlation between the medias starting to report AZ side effects on the publics reporting of such . Pretty much based on the same feeling I had a year ago when everyone posting on MN said they had "had Covid last year" and couldn't see what the fuss was about.

One opinion of the AZ vaccine is that because Johnson talks such bollocks, everything associated with him is also bollocks.

The only people I knew who thought that they might have had covid were ones who had a nasty virus a couple of months before it was identified in Europe. We are unlikely to ever know if that was the case and it did arrive earlier.

The only people I knew who thought that they might have had covid were ones who had a nasty virus a couple of months before it was identified in Europe. We are unlikely to ever know if that was the case and it did arrive earlier.

I don't know anyone who had Covid. However a cursory glance of MN (other forums are available) around March-June 2020 will reveal a large number of posters blithely asserting "Oh, I had Covid back in 2019". Certainly enough people to raise my eyebrow as to %age of posters and %age reported in population (remember no one could get a test for ages).

I'm also wondering how many AZ side-effects are merely placebo reactions ?

@Peregrina

One opinion of the AZ vaccine is that because Johnson talks such bollocks, everything associated with him is also bollocks.

The only people I knew who thought that they might have had covid were ones who had a nasty virus a couple of months before it was identified in Europe. We are unlikely to ever know if that was the case and it did arrive earlier.

My DH was the same here in Sweden. Had the worst chest infection of his life in November 2019. He's asthmatic so chest infections are pretty common, but this one was horrendous. He had to sleep sitting up and had a week off work, and he's autistic and his work is his special interest so not going in for a week is unprecedented (prior to covid and Swedish isolation rules for the slightest sniffle). I'd love him to get antibody testing to see if he has had it.

I had the bastard winter 2019 cold - seven weeks of feeling shit while still going out to work.
I am 100% certain it was not COVID
I am 90% certain it protected me from COVID

I know and know of people who died of COVID in Spring 2020
I know people who have shrugged it off and others who are still ill months later.
But then I also have a friend who has had "post viral fatigue" for 20 years - it wrecked his work life.

Jabs wise, DH had Pfizer, I had Astra Zeneca : Bill Gates knows where we both are.

@ListeningQuietly

I had the bastard winter 2019 cold - seven weeks of feeling shit while still going out to work. I am 100% certain it was not COVID I am 90% certain it protected me from COVID

I know and know of people who died of COVID in Spring 2020
I know people who have shrugged it off and others who are still ill months later.
But then I also have a friend who has had "post viral fatigue" for 20 years - it wrecked his work life.

Jabs wise, DH had Pfizer, I had Astra Zeneca : Bill Gates knows where we both are.

Interesting research suggesting that rhinoviruses can protect from coronaviruses

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out of the body's cells, say researchers.

(contd)

But that's bye the bye as to my feelings about a lot of AZ "side effects"

Interesting research suggesting that rhinoviruses can protect from coronaviruses

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56483445

The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out of the body's cells, say researchers.

The government's next plan: You can go to the pub, but only if you look like death and are trailing great banners of snot.

Perhaps they’re preparing us for part 2 of the ‘get back to office’ campaign- ‘get back to the office and stay there, even with a cold’!

Talking of banners of snot - did anyone see the Panorama on the abysmal testing protocols last night?

Undercover inside the Covid testing lab

In that lab at least tests are not fit for purpose.

Talking of banners of snot - did anyone see the Panorama on the abysmal testing protocols last night?

Is it a private company ? In which case maybe it should not have been on a "news" programme, but a "well wouldn't you know it ?" programme.

We should perhaps rename all news henceforth: "Why Am I Not Surprised".

Anyhow, if that lab is even vaguely representative we're fucked.

@DGRossetti

The only people I knew who thought that they might have had covid were ones who had a nasty virus a couple of months before it was identified in Europe. We are unlikely to ever know if that was the case and it did arrive earlier.

I don't know anyone who had Covid. However a cursory glance of MN (other forums are available) around March-June 2020 will reveal a large number of posters blithely asserting "Oh, I had Covid back in 2019". Certainly enough people to raise my eyebrow as to %age of posters and %age reported in population (remember no one could get a test for ages).

I'm also wondering how many AZ side-effects are merely placebo reactions ?

The vaccine wiped me out for 4 days or maybe I just didn't want to muck out the lambing pens. Anyway the symptoms were exactly the same as a year ago when I think I had CV. Extreme lethargy and hideous explosions from the bottom area. The fags helped prevent the virus getting into my chest. All very scientific.

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The fags helped prevent the virus getting into my chest. All very scientific.

Isn't malaria a cure for syphilis ?

@ListeningQuietly

Derxa Sponsored by Imperial Tobacco

Do they make Benson and Hedges?

The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out of the body's cells, say researchers.

That's interesting and helps to make sense of the reports that Covid helped to suppress flu this year. I couldn't see how it could just be down to social distancing and hand washing, because that would have helped stop the corona virus too. But if one boots the other out, it does.

One thing that's to be hoped for when this eventually passes is that medical research will advance significantly in this area.

Seen elsewhere and too good not to share ...

@Peregrina

The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out of the body's cells, say researchers.

That's interesting and helps to make sense of the reports that Covid helped to suppress flu this year. I couldn't see how it could just be down to social distancing and hand washing, because that would have helped stop the corona virus too. But if one boots the other out, it does.

One thing that's to be hoped for when this eventually passes is that medical research will advance significantly in this area.

I don't think it's too much to say that as a planet we've jumped 10, 15 years in virology in the past year. Which ultimately is no bad thing if you are a science fan.

I thought the subject of whatever you call looking at disease combinations was a thing, but maybe not. 25 years of studying all the -ologies I can around Multiple Sclerosis can leave you a bit discombobulated.

There was a fad theory for a while that MS was caused by a virus. It's probably due a revival thinking about it. Like flares.

(Anecdotally, smoking can help suppress some MS symptoms - but since smoking depresses the immune system and MS is an immune condition I would have filed that under "no shit Sherlock").

Also anecdotally there may be something in cannabis or cannabinoids that is incompatible with Covid. ACE-2 receptors being key areas of research.

I try to use my time ... wisely. In lieu of doing anything more useful.

Interesting research in from Germany today as to why the AZ is causing blood clots.

I don't see why this would be more of an issue with AZ than any of the brands.

Biden's tariff threat reveals Britain’s newfound weakness to trade outside the EU

Also to be filed under "No shit Sherlock"...