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Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2021 15:43

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

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DGRossetti · 29/03/2021 12:34

@Peregrina

My impression is that Brexiters aren't too good when it comes to stumping up their own money.

If Brexit is a success it will speak for itself - we won't need posters telling us how badly the EU is doing, or how the reports about lost trade don't reflect the true picture.

We will hear about the massive influx of people willing to pick crops, (might not suit everyone though), we will hear about how businesses are expanding so rapidly with trade with the rest of the world that they can't get office space or enough staff or goods. As yet, we haven't heard that.

The thing is how can a festival of Brexit be "neutral" as required by the charity commission before they can raise money.

And - more to the point - when it turns out not to be neutral, what will happen ?

I'm guessing nothing. Not dissimilar to the insurance companies now telling the Supreme Court to go fuck themselves and their rulings - we're doing as we damn well please.

If no one enforces the law and rights, then we have no laws and rights.

DGRossetti · 29/03/2021 13:21

Seems the Lords have been busy

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/beyond-brexit/

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 14:17

DGR
The first five exhibits in the Unbiased Brexit Museum have been selected Grin

dontcallmelen · 29/03/2021 16:58

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DGRossetti · 29/03/2021 17:40

Not directly Brexit related, but it's a hard task convincing me that Tim Martin cares about his staff in any way shape or form.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vaccine-passports-the-last-straw-for-struggling-pubs-spoons-boss-claims-261679/

Tim Martin warned vaccine passports would force staff into a "bitter civil liberties war" with pub-goers.

Clavinova · 29/03/2021 18:07

mathanxiety
What is funny about that photo of an online meeting? Biden isn't 'next to' Michel. It's a split screen.

Well I think it's amusing (although I posted the photo primarily because of the flags). I see that Charles Michel has tweeted the same photograph with the caption;

By standing together, shoulder-to-shoulder, the EU & US...

Clearly not "shoulder to shoulder" -
euobserver.com/coronavirus/151367

I think Charles Michel must have a sense of humour.

Laughing at other people isn't a good look.

Most of the posters on this forum are in trouble then. Grin
And I don't suppose that you have ever made any mocking remarks about Boris Johnson, or Donald Trump's attractive orange hue have you? Wink

Something tells me you can't stand Ireland

Nonsense. I don't wish Ireland any ill will whatsoever (and they can wave as many national flags as they like - I'm not the flag Grinch). However, I am perfectly entitled to make comparisons with Ireland - especially in reply to Irish posters who freely comment on the UK. I think it is you who holds some deep-rooted, political resentment towards Britain.

Maybe you are just jealous that Ireland has a future and the UK does not.

Ridiculous comment.

I was only partly paying attention to tonight's 9 o'clock news in my neck of the woods, but I am sure I heard of ongoing efforts to get a gun control law on the books in Washington. There will be considerable horse trading in the weeks ahead.

And links from your link reveal that DGRossetti doesn't know as much about the US Constitution as he thinks he does:

edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

DGRossetti · 29/03/2021 19:02

And links from your link reveal that DGRossetti doesn't know as much about the US Constitution as he thinks he does:

It's been a while since I could recite it in it's entirety I admit.

Nothing - except an amendment - can override the constitution. And the 2nd amendment is crystal clear.

I'll take your money if you like. But any EO that attempts to restrict gun ownership will be challenged. And defeated. As many EOs have been.

Which EO are you suggesting replaces the second amendment out of interest.

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 19:56

Clav
If Gun Control and Healthcare and Dreamers
could be done by EO
don't you think Obama would have done it?

Read a bit more about the difference between Executive order and Legislation.

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 20:50

Clav
That is nice
but EOs can be reversed by the next president.
ONLY legislation - getting past McConnell - will deal with the problem for ever

DGRossetti · 29/03/2021 21:01

Nothing can over ride the constitution. End of.

EOs can be challenged. And I have no doubt if an EO touches gun control the NRA will be in like a shot.

Some of Trumps EOs were struck down by SCOTUS.

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 21:25

DGR
If you read Heather Cox Richardson's analysis of the NRA and the 2nd Amendment
there is a LOT than can be put through both houses
if they get rid of the filibuster

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RedToothBrush · 29/03/2021 21:31

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56565636
Biden administration threatens tariffs on UK goods in 'tech tax' row

The US has warned it could put tariffs of up to 25% on a host of UK exports in retaliation for a UK tax on tech firms.

Ceramics, make-up, overcoats, games consoles and furniture could all be hit, according to a list published by the Biden administration.

The duties are designed to raise $325m (£235.8m), the amount the US believes the UK will raise from US tech firms.

A UK government spokesperson said it wanted to "make sure tech firms pay their fair share of tax".

They added: "Should the US proceed to implement these measures, we would consider all options to defend UK interests and industry."

and

Such actions have proceeded against similar taxes in India, Austria and Spain, but action against the European Union as a whole was dropped.

Hmmm.

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Peregrina · 29/03/2021 22:43

if they get rid of the filibuster

Can they do that though?

Peregrina · 29/03/2021 22:46

Biden administration threatens tariffs on UK goods in 'tech tax' row

Oh it's so not fair, don't they know who we are? Grin

ListeningQuietly · 29/03/2021 22:59

Peregrina
Yes.
The Filibuster can be amended to the point of removal.
I read Heather Cox Richardson's post each morning
and she has explained (with links etc)
about what needs doing and how it could be done

TatianaBis · 29/03/2021 22:59

The Brexit museum reminds me of the museum in Bruges dedicated to chips.

Peregrina · 29/03/2021 23:06

There is a ship in the bottle museum at Enkhuizen, Netherlands - rather sweet and as relevant to Brexit (i.e. not ) as to 90% of Leavers' posts. Who are still hung up about the EU instead of exploiting the opportunities that Brexit has presented them with.

mathanxiety · 30/03/2021 05:05

And I don't suppose that you have ever made any mocking remarks about Boris Johnson, or Donald Trump's attractive orange hue have you?

No, never.
Pointing and laughing is a sign of not having anything significant to say.

"Maybe you are just jealous that Ireland has a future and the UK does not."
Ridiculous comment.
Explain, please.

Fwiw, I'll comment on the UK all I like. My father and grandfather, as well as an uncle and a great uncle all served in the British armed forces. All were British subjects at birth though none were born on the island of Great Britain itself. On the other side of my family, my grandparents in their little National Schools in SE Ireland recited a rhyme in school in which they rejoiced in their great fortune - "I thank the goodness and the grace that on my birth has smiled, and made me in this Christian age, a happy English child".

mathanxiety · 30/03/2021 05:07

Oh and Irish people tend not to fly flags because flag flying is seen as an endorsement of an uglier element of nationalism.

QueenOfThorns · 30/03/2021 07:59

@TatianaBis

The Brexit museum reminds me of the museum in Bruges dedicated to chips.
I think Bruges has many highly specialised museums. We went to the chocolate museum and the diamond museum, but I also remember seeing an oil lamp museum advertised. It didn’t tempt us at the time, but would be preferable to a Brexit museum any day!
Peregrina · 30/03/2021 08:23

A Brexit museum done properly could be a good historical record, but it would need to show the build up - how the Tory party were scared of Farage's influence. He and Major's bastards were active long before austerity hit, so there is more to Brexit than just a mistaken reaction to austerity. It would also need to show the protest marches of a million strong.

If it doesn't show that, it will end up being a few sad relics, which will probably get forgotten about, especially as Covid passes but the Johnson mess still continues.

KonTikki · 30/03/2021 09:15

Maybe you are just jealous that Ireland has a future and the UK does not.

That is a ridiculous comment.
How can we have 'no future's?
Are 70+ million of us going to just disappear.

Au Contraire - thanks to our wonderful vaccination programme it looks like a particularly sunny summer for us.

DGRossetti · 30/03/2021 09:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56572775

Covid-19: World leaders call for international pandemic treaty

Illustrated with a picture of that paragon of treaty adherence: Boris Johnson.