Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

Why are you highlighting EU issues Clavinova?

An antidote to the anti-British/anti-Government sentiments expressed on this board is one good reason. I would be sad to see Scotland leave the United Kingdom to join the EU another good reason. I was replying to mathanxiety who quoted something I had posted...

Imagine seeing £37 billion disappear on a no-questions-asked non-working "app" only for the government to decide now is the time to worry about "transparency"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56554590

The government has rejected a request for £170m in financial support for Liberty Steel.

The firm's founder Sanjeev Gupta sent a letter last week asking for help to pay day-to-day operating expenses and absorb recent losses.

Liberty's owner GFG employs 5,000 staff at its 12 UK sites, which include Rotherham, Motherwell and Newport.

GFG's key financial backer, Greensill Capital, filed for insolvency earlier this month.

Government sources told the BBC last week they had concerns about the "opaque" nature of Mr Gupta's empire, which employs 35,000 worldwide.

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If that's your idea of an antidote to anti Government sentiments then for me it fails completely.

As for anti British - how is pointing out that Government actions are causing British industries to fail anti British? Do you want to see British industry and agriculture destroyed? BTW those flags that you are so keen on are nearly all made in China these days. They needn't be, of course.

the anti-British/anti-Government sentiments expressed on this board

You are confusing anti Brexit and anti Tory with being anti British. That classic tactic so beloved of Goebbels who noted that the easiest way to silence intelligent and cogent criticism is to insinuate that it's somehow unpatriotic or even traitorous.

Although he also noted this only worked with the dim. You needed more subtle tactics for the less thick.

Who likes milk ?

Imagine seeing £37 billion disappear on a no-questions-asked non-working "app"

FullFact 10 March:

Misleading claims about Serco’s role in Test and Trace resurface.

WHAT WAS CLAIMED
£37 billion was found to pay Serco for a failed track and trace system.

OUR VERDICT
£37 billion is the two-year budget for Test and Trace. The vast majority is spent on testing not tracing and does not go to Serco.

Since its launch in May 2020, the NHS Test and Trace scheme has been repeatedly described in misleading ways.

Despite our efforts to point this out, a number of politicians and public figures have continued to make incorrect claims about the system.

On Tuesday, former Labour leader and independent MP Jeremy Corbyn claimed in parliament that £37 billion was found to pay Serco for a “failed track and trace system.”

Today the Labour Party issued a press release quoting Rachel Reeves MP criticising the “Government’s outsourced, Serco-led Test and Trace system.”

A tweet from the head of the Communications Workers Union (CWU) suggesting £37 billion is being spent on the “failed app” has been shared thousands of times.

All of these statements are, to some extent, flawed...

fullfact.org/health/test-trace-march-2021/

DGR - should you have posted this? It's anti Government.

Mind you I am a bit surprised that the Government hasn't found the cash for the Stocksbridge plant at least - with Penistone and Stocksbridge, and Rother Valley once Red Wall seats, newly turned Tory. This is Rother Valley which had been Labour for 100 years. Rotherham borough itself I can understand not getting a bail out, because that stayed Labour.

You are confusing anti Brexit and anti Tory with being anti British.

The anti-Union Flag comments seemed anti-British to me.

Clavinova
I was anti Trump and everything he stood for.
That did not make me anti American.

I am anti this government and its venal lying policies.
That does not make me anti British.

All of these statements are, to some extent, flawed...

Such is life though. £350 million a week for the NHS wasn't just 'to some extent flawed' it was an outright lie. But it's not what is true which tends to matter, but what people believe to be true. Now unfortunately for you, the £37 billion does not show the Government in a good light and could have financed the NHS for two years at the £35 million a week. And that is the only reason you have highlighted the full fact stuff.

One of today' s news stories is that Jennifer Arcuri first slept with Johnson on the day when he was due at the opening of the Olympics. To you this might show lovable Boris, to the rest of us, shows us that he's a shambling wreck that can't keep it in his trousers, but you didn't select that little morsel for a post, did you?

@Clavinova

You are confusing anti Brexit and anti Tory with being anti British.

The anti-Union Flag comments seemed anti-British to me.

Fuck the flag. And fuck people who think that waving it somehow defines them - and me.

If you are happy to have your identity defined by a cheap piece of coloured cloth that blows whichever way the wind does and needs a big stiff pole shoved up it's analog of an arse to be of any use then why don't you move to a country where they go in for that kind of thing.

Me ? I'd rather be defined by what I am and what I do, who I help and who I love. Thank you very much.

Shall we meet up same time tomorrow, where you will tell me how British it is to tell people how they should be British ?

£350 million a week, of course. £35 million a week would have gone much much further. This might be useful when the pensioners who haven't sorted out their residence cards return from Spain.

One of today' s news stories is that Jennifer Arcuri first slept with Johnson on the day when he was due at the opening of the Olympics.

Didn't her company bag a lucrative government contract involving cyber ?

#justsaying .....

£350 million a week for the NHS wasn't just 'to some extent flawed' it was an outright lie.

I don't see how £100 million a week, or £200 million a week would have made any difference to be honest.

I briefly caught some of Simon Marks' "American Week" (LBC) a few days ago. I quite enjoyed listening to Marks' somewhat satirical reporting of Donald Trump's antics (I'm not a Trump fan either) - but now there's a bit more criticism of Joe Biden - who promised to sign off new gun legislation on "Day One" of his presidency, plus other election promises... Apparently, Biden wants his supporters to "be patient" now instead...

but now there's a bit more criticism of Joe Biden - who promised to sign off new gun legislation on "Day One" of his presidency, plus other election promises

If you had any acquaintance with the US constitution, you'd know that's meaningless. As would any intelligent US citizen.

... Apparently, Biden wants his supporters to "be patient" now instead...

Well there's fuck all else to do, really. Apart from getting a bulk discount on condolences cards by stocking up. 12 a year might do the trick.

If you are happy to have your identity defined by a cheap piece of coloured cloth that blows whichever way the wind does

I haven't got strong feelings either way - but I don't see why flying the Union Flag should be criticised when so many other nations and politicians are proud to fly their national flag.

@Clavinova

If you are happy to have your identity defined by a cheap piece of coloured cloth that blows whichever way the wind does

I haven't got strong feelings either way - but I don't see why flying the Union Flag should be criticised when so many other nations and politicians are proud to fly their national flag.

You need to earn the respect for the flag first. And arguably it's even more of a kick in the teeth if you are British to be told that all around the world there are people from other cultures and countries that look up to the Union Jack, while at home. In the UK. Where I live. The decisions made in the name of the flag are divisive, illegal, and downright intimidating.

Give me a reason to respect a flag, and I'll do so. Give me a reason to disrespect it. The same.

The second you have to tell people to fly a flag, you've lost the respect and argument you need to motivate people to fly it of their own accord.

I don't see how £100 million a week, or £200 million a week would have made any difference to be honest.

That’s a very weird statement.

I don't see how £100 million a week, or £200 million a week would have made any difference to be honest.
That’s a very weird statement.

Why? If I remember correctly, we did send approximately £250 million a week to Brussels after the rebate - that sounds like an enormous sum of money to me, as does £100 million a week.

@Clavinova

I don't see how £100 million a week, or £200 million a week would have made any difference to be honest. That’s a very weird statement.

Why? If I remember correctly, we did send approximately £250 million a week to Brussels after the rebate - that sounds like an enormous sum of money to me, as does £100 million a week.

Why are we piddling about with a few measly million when there's £37 billion disappeared from the face of the earth ?

Thank goodness modern money is totally made up. We'd be well fucked (official phrase) if we needed to back that with something real like gold these days.

Why? Because either way, it’s a lot of money and a lot of money can make a lot of difference. Unless you “staff it up a wall”, of course. And we know who’s good at that...

there's £37 billion disappeared from the face of the earth?

From the Full Fact article:

Budget vs cost
Finally, much talk in recent weeks has revolved around the £37 billion earmarked for Test and Trace.

This comprises £22 billion in 2020/21 and a further £15 billion in 2021/22.

However, this should be understood as the budget for Test and Trace, not how much has been spent so far on Test and Trace.

Again, we don’t have up-to-date figures on this. When the NAO reported on the programme in late 2020, it noted that, as of October 2020, Test and Trace had spent £4 billion despite budgeting to have spent £6 billion.

It noted that the largest underspend was related to laboratories, machines and mass testing.

Earlier this year, senior health official David Williams told the Public Accounts Committee that the spend to November was £5.7 billion and that it expected that the eventual spend for Test and Trace in 2020/21 would be in the “low 20s, or maybe the very high teens.” He added that testing “continues to be the principal driver of cost.”

Nice of Clav to remind us why English nurses are getting 1%.

The Biden administration is investing $10 billion into Covid-19 testing for schools in an effort to hasten the return to in-person learning across the country.

A waste of money according to DGRossetti

www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/biden-administration-to-invest-10-billion-in-covid-testing-for-schools-in-push-to-reopen.html

Are we supposed to cheer that only 2/3 of the sum has been wasted?

[quote Clavinova]The Biden administration is investing $10 billion into Covid-19 testing for schools in an effort to hasten the return to in-person learning across the country.

A waste of money according to DGRossetti

www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/biden-administration-to-invest-10-billion-in-covid-testing-for-schools-in-push-to-reopen.html[/quote]
Not quite sure how you made that leap ? Where have I said testing is a waste of money ?