Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

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Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

Has this piece from the Irish Times about how Labour must speak up about Brexit, been posted?

It's pertinent to our discussion of yesterday - Labour was shit scared of the Brexitty outlook of the Red Wall, but since they lost them anyway, what is the point now of not speaking out? Cameron failed to make the case for Remain - being an arrogant so and so he thought it was in the bag, but as the article shows there is still a strong case for co-operation with the EU if the Rejoin option is no longer palatable.

Small country syndrome. You see a lot of Saltires in Scotland.

It's pertinent to our discussion of yesterday - Labour was shit scared of the Brexitty outlook of the Red Wall, but since they lost them anyway, what is the point now of not speaking out?

Do you mean the deal supporting, Johnson appeasing Labour party with the unity candidate who is currently waging war on the CLP's and members who are on the left of his party?

@pointythings

Flags should be for special occasions and sports. Daily use on government building is nationalist willy waving. The US has a flag fetish, but if you travel round Europe, you won't see a lot of flags. Because these countries don't suffer from insecurity and small man syndrome.

You should come to Sweden we have flags everywhere, we love a flag. But here it's about countering nationalism. There was a massive campaign many years ago to take back the flag from the racists so now it's associated with Midsommar and picnics.

I remember going to Denmark when I was about 10 (so nearly half a century ago! ) and being blown away by the number of Danish flags that were flown in people's gardens. Not always standard sized flags - often long thin flags.

Not read the Express article on principle but Not sure that the WM Government can enforce the "need" to get planning permission to fly the EU flag on Government buildings in Scotland as planning is a devolved matter WM can choose to fly the Union flag on Scotland Office (WM) buildings and choose not to fly the EU flag, but not sure that they can impose that elsewhere in Scotland.

In fact, the EU flag continues to fly alongside the Saltire outside Scottish Government buildings every day
https://fullfact.org/online/european-flag-scotland/ It's the Union flag that only gets flown occasionally

I would assume that his writ won't run in Scotland either, which would be just as well because flying the Union Jack there is only likely to further the Nationalist cause.

Don't forget, there's the one pole two flags solution mentioned further down to deal with "The Scottish Problem" ...

The flag waving is yet another ill thought out Johnson willy waving idea. However the EU flag is also, and was originally, the flag of the Council of Europe, which we have not left. So presumably the Council of Europe flag could be flown daily with no problem?

@yellowspanner

Why do some of you have a problem with flying our country's flag on our government buildings? I'm genuinely puzzled.

If you need to see a flag on every building to remind you what country you live in, then I'm going to be blunt and say you should have paid more attention at school.

Although fixating around something which needs random bursts of air to function is a damn god metaphor for Tory policy right now. The operative word in that sentence being "right" of course.

Being proud of being British, union jack style, is similar to being proud of being white. It's a way of feeling superior to others despite not having actually achieved anything. It's a cheap way of making people feel good about themselves. More gaslighting.

@Seventrees

Being proud of being British, union jack style, is similar to being proud of being white. It's a way of feeling superior to others despite not having actually achieved anything. It's a cheap way of making people feel good about themselves. More gaslighting.

There's as much to reject about being British as being proud at times. It probably evens out to a very small nett positive.

But I'll celebrate my Britishness how I like, thank you very much. And if you think I'm doing it wrong then you aren't British at all. And probably never were.

at British bananas. So they have to have been grown in a greenhouse somewhere then?

Could the description British Bananas be queried under the Trades Description Act? They almost certainly can't have been grown here and it is important to know where our food comes from.

On a facebook thread I saw a discussion about Chinese garlic being sold in Tesco. Why? Partly because in N Europe this time of year is traditionally the hungry season when the Autumn crops are more or less eaten up and the new crops haven't come in, so it's not the right time for European garlic. Secondly, the growing conditions in China may well use chemicals not permitted in Europe.

@pointythings

at British bananas. So they have to have been grown in a greenhouse somewhere then?

Because it’s photoshopped 🙄

It’s been nicked off the “British Carrots” wrongly labelled as grown in Spain packaging error.

LostToucan I did wonder. But I really dislike the sudden plethora of flags appearing on products in supermarket. Food nationalism - what is that all about? (The question is rhetorical.)

It does seem like the English like to plaster Union Jacks on everything.

www.arc2020.eu/uk-why-buy-british-wont-feed-the-nation/

Interesting article which asks the question why BJ/the WM Government is more concerned about losing NI than Scotland - although it doesn't answer it

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/boris-johnson-and-scotland-and-northern-ireland-7829290

I might tentatively hypothesise that it is because Scotland isn't the drain on UK resources that WM constantly claims - whereas NI is a drain (even when you don't take the bungs to the DUP into consideration not sure they were ever paid though ). Plus FUKD without Scotland would be hard pushed to continue to claim its permanent seat on the UN Security Council, let alone continue to assert to the EU and the rest of the world, "Don't you know who we are?" Without NI, FUKD could continue to stick its head in the sand as to its "great" world influence

You've got that the wrong way round?

You're right - I did

I meant it the correct way round: why is BJ more concerned about losing Scotland than NI? Putting in actions to prove the "worth" of the Union (like moving civil servant jobs, trying to get the Union flag flown more often, refusing Indyref2, piling in on allegations that Nicola might have misled Holyrood and should therefore resign, while not a peep about the multiple proven infractions by his own government ) while putting in place the NIP that genuinely does damage NI's interactions with GB and (more importantly) not caring about the GFA

Most of his actions are guaranteed to backfire, with the possible exception of more civil service jobs maybe? Union flag - no, refusing Indyref - no, Nicola has misled Holyrood - well has he convinced you prettybird? I think the answer will also be no.

I meant it the correct way round: why is BJ more concerned about losing Scotland than NI?

Would you like to go to her madge and explain how you lost all her lands north of the border ? Where she can got to get away from the awfulness that is England and the English.

Whereas with NI, you can't miss what you never gave a fuck about.

Peregrina - the telling report will be the Hamilton independent report into whether she did break the ministerial code. The Holyrood committee, which was supposed to be looking into the harassment claims and procedures seems to have descended into political point scoring and forgotten their original remit - and the women who should have been at the centre of it ....but even it, albeit according to leaked reports, pulled back from saying that she "knowingly" misled parliament to simply "she misled parliament.

Contrast that to the numerous that BJ and his cronies have broken the law, deliberately misled parliament and broken the ministerial code, without a peep from either him (not surprising as he is one of the guilty ones ) or from Labour

Contrast that to the numerous that BJ and his cronies have broken the law

It's not illegal when they do it.

Like we saw in the original Indyref, with both Labour and Tories sharing the same stage, I think Starmer is going to be proudly unionist so any gains he hopes to make in Scotland are never going to materialise

Appeasement to all but those on the left of his party is Keiths agenda, hoping the English wake up and think that nice, gentle man of the people Sir Keir Starmer is going to be more appealing than Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, our mate Boris who stuck it to the EU and vaccinated everyone single handedly