Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

[RedToothBrush]

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

Good luck with you[r] PHD

borntobequiet

The PhD student comes across as a bit of a twit who has embellished his story - I'm afraid I have no sympathy for him. As someone else has replied;

^is it clear that you can get "everything sorted"
just wondering why you made the journey not having "everything sorted"

LostToucan
Because that is one example of incorrect/misleading information I received from migrationsverket and elsewhere. I used it to support the argument...

He wrote in the article;
In an attempt to strengthen my case, I showed the officer an email I received from the Swedish Migration Agency (Migrationsverket).

It clearly states that you do not need to have received a residence permit to enter Sweden, and that you can live in Sweden while awaiting a response from an application.

The screenshot begins; If one is a British citizen and have lived in Sweden before Brexit...

I agree with the expat;
Right so why then post a screenshot which clearly states you need to be in the country to apply? Seems odd and destroys your argument you were told the wrong information.

Also, the PhD student claims that EU citizens can live, work and travel freely across Europe - this is certainly not true in the current Covid climate (and when will it end?) - freedom of movement is a misnomer at the moment. An EU citizen with a job offer in Sweden, arriving via Denmark, would have needed to satisfy the border police with an employment contract, confirmation of accommodation, negative Covid test, travel history etc. Last month, both Sweden and Denmark were among six countries put on notice by the European Commission;

The European Commission said Tuesday (23 February) it has formally warned six EU countries that their virus-related border curbs could undermine free movement within the bloc.

Letters sent...to Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Hungary and Sweden, highlight a risk of “fragmentation and disruptions to free movement and to supply chains,” commission spokesman Christian Wigand told journalists.

The EU executive is worried the measures go beyond recommendations adopted four months ago seeking a “proportional” balance between slowing the spread of the coronavirus and maintaining movement.

www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/six-eu-countries-warned-over-border-restrictions/

Clavinova
Why do you care so much about a student in Sweden?

Why do you not care that the UK has chosen to allow unchecked imports of goodness knows what into the country?

Why do you not care that UK farmers and manufacturers are being destroyed by that decision?

Why do you not care that UK farmers and manufacturers are being destroyed by that decision?

I'll tell you who I don't care about, the fishing industry. Zero sympathy. If you're stupid enough to vote to erect barriers between your product and your market you don't deserve to be in business. Plus, fishing does terrible environmental damage. Same goes for that idiot Ukip eel bloke now whingeing that his business has fallen of a cliff.

@Kendodd

Why do you not care that UK farmers and manufacturers are being destroyed by that decision?

I'll tell you who I don't care about, the fishing industry. Zero sympathy. If you're stupid enough to vote to erect barriers between your product and your market you don't deserve to be in business. Plus, fishing does terrible environmental damage. Same goes for that idiot Ukip eel bloke now whingeing that his business has fallen of a cliff.

Didn't the farming industry also vote predominantly for brexit? And a lot of towns reliant on manufacturing for EU markets? I find it hard to have any sympathy for those who voted for their own destruction, dragging others down with them as they went.

Quite - they should be embracing the Brexit opportunities. That includes Clavinova - instead of fretting about Ph D researchers not being admitted to Sweden - tell us how you are enjoying the new found freedoms of Brexit.

OK you will have had access to the vaccine which Boris Big Bollocks and chums apparently invented and personally stuck into people's arms. I will grant you that one.

Why do you care so much about a student in Sweden?

Because the barriers to (young) people’s opportunities thrown up by Brexit must be minimised at all costs.

No matter how you spin it, it’s going to be a lot harder to study / work / live in the EU.

I expect Clavinova will be back in a bit with a link proving that the fishing industry, thanks to Brexit, has gone from being on the bones of its arse to them all having more money than Pablo Escobar.

Or Clavinova will be back to tell us about a firm which has won a £500 order with somewhere obscure, when they have lost £50,000's worth of EU business.

Well you have to admit that £500 is better than £0, but it's not exactly a great consolation, not for a country which held all the cards, and for which there were going to be no downsides and only considerable upsides.

No matter how you spin it, it’s going to be a lot harder to study / work / live in the EU.

Wasn't that the plan ? Fortress Britain. Not keeping furriners out, but Brits in ?

Well, I'm ready!

^

Can we choose some random fact categories in advance?

The key point is that - as Chris Grey made clear in his weekly blog
the benefits of Brexit turn to dust each time anybody tries to touch them
and the project fear negatives become more tangible day by day.

I feel sorry for people who believed the lies they were told
but sad that their lack of critical thinking has cost us all so much
and I will never forgive the shits who drove the process

I feel sorry for people who believed the lies they were told
I don't.
I might have done in 2016 but not now. Leave voters were absolutely determined to push through Brexit and I don't see many regrets from them. Why should I feel sorry for people who are so delighted to have damaged mine and my children's future? Brexit could have been stopped if Leave voters had changed their minds, they didn't.

Kendodd
The problem is that a lot of the low information voters
really cannot comprehend the outcome of their decision.

It also does not help that the Opposition are allowing the Government to get away with breaking International Law
by breaking oven ready treaties and deals.

I really do not understand why Starmer cannot let the "red wall" vanish into the puff of smoke it really is
and CLOBBER Johnson on the lie after lie after lie

• food standards
• shopping rights
• travel rights
• employment rights for youngsters

etc ad nausem

The problem is that a lot of the low information voters really cannot comprehend the outcome of their decision.

Didn't stop them shouting down anyone who did have the information did it ? Nor did it actually stop them voting either.

I'm on team fuckallsympathy with KennDodd here.

I certainly have no sympathy for those who voted Tory in 2019 and gave Johnson his mandate to 'Get Brexit Done', when they knew he was a liar and a cheat, and quite happy to stoop to illegalities, and knew that his Great Deal was thin on detail. I am just more annoyed with them now because they are giving him the credit for the vaccine roll out because he's sticking it to the EU.

I agree with LQ - Starmer's fence sitting isn't going to win the Red Wall back. Corbyn tried to do the same and lost them. Let's hear Starmer hammer what's happening for young people in particular. They have had a shit deal. Let him forget the older ones who gave Johnson their vote. (And I am one of the older ones, don't forget.)

I was just thinking back to an old old clip from Spitting Image (the original series).

For some reason, it made me think of certain posters here regarding "opportunities" from Brexit....

Peregrina
The red wall is a mirage
if you look back at our threads after the election result
2019 was the tipping point of a 20 year process
patricularly involving demographic change.

If Starmer does not look out for the future
he is destined to become part of the past

Too true - so Clavinova isn't being original.

The thing that gets me with all the Leavers, is that THEY WON, but you would never guess it. Real winners don't have to keep reminding losers that they lost, the win speaks for itself.

slighly OT, but a dear friend of mine wrote this
and it bears sharing

STATUES
1. Jimmy Saville
Huge fundraiser for charities, the public face of road safety (saved thousands of lives). Not a philanthropist, except to his mum and his lawyers, but never convicted of anything serious when his statue was put up (somewhere in Scotland, but there may have been more than one). Died legally innocent, but statue removed because of public opinion. Will the brave statue defenders demand its reinstatement and protect it from public outrage? Would anyone get 10 years for defacing it?
2 Anyone fancy telling the Iraqis to put Saddam's statues back? Come to think of it, they might be more popular than when he was alive
3 Marx, Lenin and Stalin in our NATO allies. Many of these are still around, so quite easy to put back - a great job for the Royal Engineers?
4 . The great English tradition of statue-breaking. From Henry VIII (the Tudor Stalin) to the end of the Commonwealth tens of thousands of statues were destroyed by fanatical religious zealots (nowadays called the United Reformed Church, Presbyterians, Calvinists, Baptists etc - basically puritans, who felt much the same about statues as the Taliban and Isis do nowadays). Somewhere between 90 and 99+% of English Medieval art was destroyed over this period. People were paid good money to go round smashing churches up, there were even competitions. So please leave some space for our tradition of vandalism.
5 . Please, please can we have a statue of Johnson? If you're going to get 10 years for spray-painting it, you might as well go for dynamite - or even more inventive methods. Crowd funded, of course.
6 . Oh and how about a discreet (no more than life-size) statue of Hitler opposite the Cenotaph, so the Democratic statue defenders can salute their hero while they're on duty protecting it from lesbians or whoever.

I get the impression that Labour really don’t even believe the words they say any more. I haven’t heard one convincing spokesperson for Labour recently. Some speak eloquently and convincingly but there’s no substance behind it. Others simply spout gobbledegook, mangled sentences that make no sense. LD are even worse. None seem to understand the utter shit we are in or their own roles as enablers in the magical thinking political processes that brought us here.

The only political party which really seems to know what it wants is the SNP. Otherwise they all seem scared - but the 16 million of us who voted Remain haven't gone away - even if some are now happy that Johnson has personally rolled out the vaccine and inoculate them all!

So going back to Brexit stockpiles is the general consensus that we should keep them going as there are likely to be shortages further down the line?

Absolutely, yes. In fact, dh unprompted suggested to me this week that we should start building our stockpile up again, after running it down a bit after Christmas.

The positive is that I now know how quickly certain things get used up and how much more I really need to have a worthwhile stockpile. Although dh says it just proves we drink too much coffee

I'm now waiting for the "right" Lidl plus card vouchers to come up, eg for coffee cat food, so that I can buy a gazillion bags at 15% off

@Ellie56

So going back to Brexit stockpiles is the general consensus that we should keep them going as there are likely to be shortages further down the line?

Planning on restocking the tinned tomatoes, pizza cheese and toppings before the 1st April here.