Westministenders: Unilateral Ignoring of WHO rules

[RedToothBrush]

Where we are:

On 1st January the EU started to apply checks on all goods from the UK coming into the Union.

However the UK decided to take a slower route to this, and planned that on the 1st April the UK we would be carrying out Sanitary & Phytosanitary paperwork for animal and plant EU imports like meat and eggs.

Then on 1 July we'd implement a full customs check on all goods arriving into the UK from EU member states.

Obviously we've struggled with exports as we weren't ready for this and its fucked business. But ultimately the import side of things has yet to hit the shit fan still.

It sounds like there is likely to be issues with imports of food in particular, so there is talk of delaying our plan of checks until later in the day. There is concern that the reopening of pubs and restuarants which will up demands of imports occuring at the same time as checks are put in place is likely to be 'problematic'.

Remember we get 2/3 of fruit, veg and cheese from the EU. And half our wine. And to date these largely have only been affected by haulage issues NOT UK customs issues...

You might want to keep that in mind.

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He was turned away because he is now a third country citizen and didn't have a valid visa or residence permit.

But Clavinova thinks that her cut and pastes override everything else.

Clavinova
Why is the UK not taking back control of its borders?

Why are people who send dodgy products that undermine British farmers and Industry not being subject to full control and inspection at the UK border?

Why is the government supporting exporters by ensuring proper import controls that then allow proof origin exports to the EU?

Its almost like the Brexiters always wanted to sell UK agriculture and industry down the river?

FatCatThinCat
A PhD position is a salaried position and they are employees of the institution.

Unless they have a stipend/grant or similar?

The article is still misleading. He says;

I also showed him [border police] the travel rules that apply to UK citizens entering Sweden due to Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic from the police’s website. The rules state that if I can document that I have applied for a residence permit, then I have the right to stay in Sweden under the withdrawal Agreement...

In order to be allowed to enter they will need to be covered by one of the general exemptions mentioned on this website, or they need to bring a new kind of residence status which only UK citizens can apply for, or to physically or electronically document that they have applied for residence status. For example a screenshot of the receipt generated after submitting an application on the Swedish Migration Agency website...

But he misses out this important statement at the end of that section;

As long as the stricter [coronavirus] entry ban from Denmark, Norway and the UK is enforced, UK or other foreign citizens will in general not be allowed to enter Sweden.

As long as the stricter [coronavirus] entry ban from Denmark, Norway and the UK is enforced, UK or other foreign citizens will in general not be allowed to enter Sweden.

The trouble is Clavinova, cutting and pasting stuff which you don't really know anything about and using it to promote your anti EU agenda (you won, don't forget), doesn't really shed any light on what exactly happened to this man. The statement 'in general' is likely to be designed to catch visitors, not people taking up work there. There may be a good chance that the border guards didn't know the rules, as we saw with the fiasco of EU residents trying to return to EU countries in January. The time you may remember when people were stopped from boarding planes or unnecessarily had their passports stamped on entry to their EU countries of residence. Because Johnson big bollocks and his last minute negotiating left it far too late for the proper information to be disseminated in a timely fashion.

ListeningQuietly

Interesting list on the WTO website;
COVID-19: Measures affecting trade in goods.

The below list has been compiled by the WTO Secretariat from official sources. It is not exhaustive. The list and the information contained therein is an informal situation report and an attempt to provide transparency with respect to trade and trade-related measures taken in the context of the COVID-19 crisis. The list of measures does not pass judgment on or question the right of WTO members to take such actions and it does not alter the current long-standing practice of the WTO Trade Monitoring Exercise of verifying information and measures with members. Members are encouraged to provide updated information on these and other measures as appropriate.

www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/covid19_e/trade_related_goods_measure_e.htm

South Korea and Japan -
Import and trade priorities: South Korea temporarily relaxes food rules due to COVID-19 26-May-2020 By Pearly Neo.

South Korea has moved to temporarily relax regulatory measures for food imports in view of the global COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, particularly concentrating on documentation and labelling requirements to prevent delays in custom clearance...

Japan also loosened regulations...

www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2020/05/26/Import-and-trade-priorities-South-Korea-temporarily-relaxes-food-rules-due-to-COVID-19

Clav
I read the WTO website too.

That was not what I asked.

I presume you have no answers

@Clavinova

FatCatThinCat A PhD position is a salaried position and they are employees of the institution.

Unless they have a stipend/grant or similar?

The article is still misleading. He says;

I also showed him [border police] the travel rules that apply to UK citizens entering Sweden due to Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic from the police’s website. The rules state that if I can document that I have applied for a residence permit, then I have the right to stay in Sweden under the withdrawal Agreement...

In order to be allowed to enter they will need to be covered by one of the general exemptions mentioned on this website, or they need to bring a new kind of residence status which only UK citizens can apply for, or to physically or electronically document that they have applied for residence status. For example a screenshot of the receipt generated after submitting an application on the Swedish Migration Agency website...

But he misses out this important statement at the end of that section;

As long as the stricter [coronavirus] entry ban from Denmark, Norway and the UK is enforced, UK or other foreign citizens will in general not be allowed to enter Sweden.

Stipends and grants are not used in Sweden. All PhD students are salaried employees and are legally workers not students.

The article is not misleading as your 'important statement' is irrelevant. They will in general not be allowed to enter Sweden unless they are exempt from coronavirus restrictions. He was exempt as he was travelling to work. He was denied entry as he didn't have the correct post brexit visa. He didn't need the actual visa, only proof that he had applied for it. But his reason for rejection was because he didn't have it.

Peregrina
The statement 'in general' is likely to be designed to catch visitors, not people taking up work there.

The article in my link also describes how Danish students (and a Polish student living in Denmark) were removed from the train on their daily commute to university/college in Sweden, kept waiting on the platform for two hours while the Swedish border police deliberated and then sent back to Denmark. Must be Brexit...

@Peregrina

As long as the stricter [coronavirus] entry ban from Denmark, Norway and the UK is enforced, UK or other foreign citizens will in general not be allowed to enter Sweden.

The trouble is Clavinova, cutting and pasting stuff which you don't really know anything about and using it to promote your anti EU agenda (you won, don't forget), doesn't really shed any light on what exactly happened to this man. The statement 'in general' is likely to be designed to catch visitors, not people taking up work there. There may be a good chance that the border guards didn't know the rules, as we saw with the fiasco of EU residents trying to return to EU countries in January. The time you may remember when people were stopped from boarding planes or unnecessarily had their passports stamped on entry to their EU countries of residence. Because Johnson big bollocks and his last minute negotiating left it far too late for the proper information to be disseminated in a timely fashion.

I know the rules as I see posts every single day from members of the British community here in Sweden trying to work out what they can and can't do when they need to travel for various reasons. The police definitely got it wrong, hence why it's news worthy. But it's understandable as they have a lot on their plate right now and keeping up with all the rule changes is a bit of a nightmare.

@Clavinova

Peregrina The statement 'in general' is likely to be designed to catch visitors, not people taking up work there.

The article in my link also describes how Danish students (and a Polish student living in Denmark) were removed from the train on their daily commute to university/college in Sweden, kept waiting on the platform for two hours while the Swedish border police deliberated and then sent back to Denmark. Must be Brexit...

Students do not have an exemption. Workers do. Most likely because students have no reason at all to commute daily as all student teaching is currently being done online only.

@FatCatThinCat

It’s almost like you actually live in Sweden and understand how the various rules apply.

As opposed to someone who can walk to their local Waitrose.

Students do not have an exemption. Workers do. Most likely because students have no reason at all to commute daily as all student teaching is currently being done online only.

The students featured in the article were attending an art college, however the inconsistency of border decisions was highlighted;

“Students have not been exempt since December 22nd, so it has been up to individual police officers to make a judgment at the border, but this was not enforced until February 12th, when the border was tightened. Until then, it was possible for most students to cross the border on a daily basis.”

[quote LostToucan]@FatCatThinCat

It’s almost like you actually live in Sweden and understand how the various rules apply.

As opposed to someone who can walk to their local Waitrose.[/quote]
Almost! Truth is they make my brain bleed. But thankfully my DH is sat next to me and he's shit hot when it comes to students, phds, visa, immigration, and employment law, what with being a professor at the university the 'commuting students' were most likely studying at and being responsible for international students.

Clav is still suffering because ofbeet have moved

but it would be good if she used her amazing search skills to answer a question

@Clavinova

Students do not have an exemption. Workers do. Most likely because students have no reason at all to commute daily as all student teaching is currently being done online only.

The students featured in the article were attending an art college, however the inconsistency of border decisions was highlighted;

“Students have not been exempt since December 22nd, so it has been up to individual police officers to make a judgment at the border, but this was not enforced until February 12th, when the border was tightened. Until then, it was possible for most students to cross the border on a daily basis.”

All colleges, including art colleges, are also distance. It not inconsistent, border police in Sweden always have the authority to make the final decision. That's the law in Sweden. The rules have tightened so their use of discretion has tightened.

But that's all smoke and mirrors that doesn't change the fact that the British PhD student who was turned away was turned away because he was no longer an EU citizen and didn't have the post brexit visa.

Almost! Truth is they make my brain bleed. But thankfully my DH is sat next to me and he's shit hot when it comes to students, phds, visa, immigration, and employment law, what with being a professor at the university the 'commuting students' were most likely studying at and being responsible for international students

C’mon now, real life facts should never get in the way of the alternative facts of a True Beleaver.

@LostToucan

Almost! Truth is they make my brain bleed. But thankfully my DH is sat next to me and he's shit hot when it comes to students, phds, visa, immigration, and employment law, what with being a professor at the university the 'commuting students' were most likely studying at and being responsible for international students

C’mon now, real life facts should never get in the way of the alternative facts of a True Beleaver.

Absolutely! My mum is a true believer and was sharing brexitty daily mail shite about needing to leave the EU or turning into Sweden where women can no longer walk the streets because of all the muslims. I pulled her up on it as she'd been here in Sweden just a few days before and felt very happy walking. She would not have it, literally denying the evidence of her own eyes in favour of what the Daily Mail told her. We no longer speak as I can't be doing with that level of crazy.

Women aren’t safe to walk the streets in the UK either.

But that's all smoke and mirrors that doesn't change the fact that the British PhD student who was turned away was turned away because he was no longer an EU citizen and didn't have the post brexit visa.

The PhD student has put his saga on twitter as well - it would appear that the Swedish Migration Agency have confused him even further today, although he doesn't actually say what he asked them;

Latest email from @ Migrationsverk
If it was this simple, then why wasn't I allowed in for being non-EU?

19 March 2021
Thank you for your email.
British citizens do not require a visa and only need a passport or national ID card upon entry to Sweden.

Best regards.
Swedish Migration Agency.
National Operations Department.

Now now @Clavinova

Selective posting again.

Latest email from @Migrationsverk . If it was this simple, then why wasn't I allowed in for being non-EU?

@PolisenSverige @polisenmalmo

Although Brexit is to blame for the extra bureaucracy, contradictory information from migration agency and police doesn't help

Brexit is to blame

Nothing quite like being a third country eh?

Selective posting again

I could post this reply from a UK ex-pat living in Sweden - tweeted yesterday:

Right so why then post a screenshot which clearly states you need to be in the country to apply? Seems odd and destroys your argument you were told the wrong information.

If your complaint is about additional paperwork then it’s a valid one, yes it is more hassle but we are where we are. You knew this when deciding to move to Sweden.

Essentially your article is misleading. What happened is your application wasn’t confirmed and perhaps a border official didn’t understand your status. You also provide no evidence you [were] told you could move and wait for a decision.

Good luck with you PHD, I’m sure you’ll enjoy Stockholm.

Seems odd and destroys your argument you were told the wrong information.

Doesn’t contradict the fact that it was basically down to Brexit though.

And the reply to that Tweet about applying for Swedish residency:

(1/2) Because that is one example of incorrect/ misleading information I received from migrationsverket and elsewhere. I used it to support the argument that loss of freedom or movement has created bureaucratic complications, which I think is the clear message that comes through

There is no doubt that Covid-19 has complicated everything, with the rules changing every five minutes, so that no one can keep up. But it's still part of Brexit. Other countries can chuck out Britons too - who knew? The Brexiters thought it would all be one way - we could chuck out who we want, but still be free to travel.