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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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Peregrina · 01/02/2021 11:56

Reminds me of a recent Prime Minister of ours.

Which one? There are a couple of candidates.

borntobequiet · 01/02/2021 12:01

Problems for food exporters:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rv98

Peregrina · 01/02/2021 12:11

More on the Trans Pacific Partnership

prettybird · 01/02/2021 12:37

Peregrina - nice wee spot for you beside the plum tree Smile (Victoria plums in tap in August Wink) - but far enough from the pear tree to be safe from the multiple pears dropping from 100 feet in September Shock

Peregrina · 01/02/2021 13:15

That's good, and if you get a glut I will make a plum chutney for you.

mrslaughan · 01/02/2021 13:25

Extraordinary info from Phil Hammond about Mays and Davis's role in Brexit..... I am not sure many would be surprised here..... but still interesting

twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1356228242273931266?s=21

DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 13:37

[quote mrslaughan]Extraordinary info from Phil Hammond about Mays and Davis's role in Brexit..... I am not sure many would be surprised here..... but still interesting

twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1356228242273931266?s=21[/quote]
Site with full transcript appears down ...

t.co/HTRucjKdWh

DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 13:54

news.yahoo.com/shameful-disgraceful-fishermen-furious-brexit-093019343.html

BRISTOL, England — As an island and ancient seafaring nation, the United Kingdom’s fishing communities have an outsize impact on the country’s identity.

So it should be no surprise that their fate loomed over Brexit negotiations, with politicians promising fishermen they would be big winners after the U.K. left the European Union.

But now, many members of the fishing community say they feel let down by the government. Instead of boosting the industry, they say, the new trade deal fails to deliver on lawmakers’ Brexit promises, has choked their businesses with red tape and left the struggling sector to wither away further.

...

this bit caught my eye ...

Perkes, who voted to leave the E.U., said he’s lost thousands of pounds in sales due to Brexit red tape, as he was initially unable to export to the continent because he did not have the correct paperwork.

While logistical issues have begun to ease, he says he’s still concerned his business will not be able to survive if the increased cost of routine paperwork needed to export to the E.U. persists.

“If I knew this was going to be the outcome, then obviously I would not have voted to leave,” he said.

(contd)

But you were told this would be the outcome. So why are you bleating now ? Now you've affected the life of every single UK citizen irrevocably. Not sorry for them are you ?

thecatfromjapan · 01/02/2021 13:59

@mrslaughan and DGR Oh my goodness. That is quite the interview.

ListeningQuietly · 01/02/2021 14:01

So, why is that interview being published now?
What are they distracting us from ?

FWIW on housing, any Government could do a "really good thing"
by allowing councils to purchase any auction property that did not meet its reserve price
and convert it to Social Rent
the net return to the LAs would be good
and its not like they would be out competing first time buyers and hard working families

prettybird · 01/02/2021 14:02

@Peregrina

That's good, and if you get a glut I will make a plum chutney for you.
We always have a glut that plum tree doesn't understand that it's only supposed to crop well every second year Wink
Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 14:07

So, why is that interview being published now? What are they distracting us from ?

Well ... I noted this story yesterday ...

www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jan/31/ministers-backbench-revolt-uk-courts-genocide-china-uighurs-trade-bill-foreign-affairs-committee

...

Tory MPs were so incensed by the whips lobbying against the plan and citing the views of judges that Sir Robert Buckland, the lord chancellor and justice secretary, was asked to give an undertaking that it was a breach of separation of powers for the whips to cite the views of the judiciary in a political controversy.

(contd)

immediately piqued my interest, as I have never seen separation of powers mentioned in a UK context, except historically.

borntobequiet · 01/02/2021 14:16

@DGRossetti

So, why is that interview being published now? What are they distracting us from ?

Well ... I noted this story yesterday ...

www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jan/31/ministers-backbench-revolt-uk-courts-genocide-china-uighurs-trade-bill-foreign-affairs-committee

...

Tory MPs were so incensed by the whips lobbying against the plan and citing the views of judges that Sir Robert Buckland, the lord chancellor and justice secretary, was asked to give an undertaking that it was a breach of separation of powers for the whips to cite the views of the judiciary in a political controversy.

(contd)

immediately piqued my interest, as I have never seen separation of powers mentioned in a UK context, except historically.

This was briefly discussed on the last thread - I wondered at the time if it was of any special significance or spelled any particular difficulty for government. In these days of unknown unknowns manifesting themselves, you never know where trouble is going to spring from.
DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 14:26

This was briefly discussed on the last thread - I wondered at the time if it was of any special significance or spelled any particular difficulty for government.

Well it's the closest they've been to a defeat since 2019.

Seems to me the government would like to be able to mark their own homework on this one. "How can be a repressive regime, when it's recognised by .... the government ?"

I suspect that having the courts declare regimes repressive could have serious implications for trying to bang up protesters who engage in criminal activities under the defence of preventing greater harm. Like the ones who damaged planes for Saudi ?

LouiseCollins28 · 01/02/2021 15:10

Anyone know anything about the Joanna Cherry story, apparently she's been sacked from the SNP front bench?!

ListeningQuietly · 01/02/2021 15:26

Louise
Its being covered in detail on the Feminism boards.
The SNP appears to have jumped the shark in allowing people to self identify as disabled among other things.

prettybird · 01/02/2021 16:42

I'm just having a WhatsApp argument with ds on this very topic Grin

He thinks her being bumped off the Front Bench is a good thing because of the young SNP supporters like him Hmm I disagree with him Wink

I'm telling him I'm not a cis woman Grin

prettybird · 01/02/2021 16:43

...or rather, I refuse to define myself as a "cis woman" Grin

DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 16:49

@prettybird

I'm just having a WhatsApp argument with ds on this very topic Grin

He thinks her being bumped off the Front Bench is a good thing because of the young SNP supporters like him Hmm I disagree with him Wink

I'm telling him I'm not a cis woman Grin

Good way for Boris to get his way, then ....
prettybird · 01/02/2021 17:01

I told ds it was a loss to the Front Bench. We (and by that, I don't just mean Scotland) need people of her calibre holding BJ and his government to account.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 01/02/2021 17:04

Getting rid of Joanna Cherry is very much baby out with the bathwater, even if you do think the bathwater is dirty which I don't

derxa · 01/02/2021 17:05

@prettybird

I told ds it was a loss to the Front Bench. We (and by that, I don't just mean Scotland) need people of her calibre holding BJ and his government to account.
I totally agree.
RedToothBrush · 01/02/2021 17:13

Well Hammond is pretty much saying what always been said here that the turning point and disaster for May was the Tory Party Conference. That was the thing that killed any notion of uniting the country for a decade at least. Probably a lot longer.

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DGRossetti · 01/02/2021 17:27

@RedToothBrush

Well Hammond is pretty much saying what always been said here that the turning point and disaster for May was the Tory Party Conference. That was the thing that killed any notion of uniting the country for a decade at least. Probably a lot longer.
I'd also argue with his analysis. From what I saw, and what we all experienced, Mays agenda was:
  1. Tory Party first (of course)
  2. Fuck the country

And don't anyone dare suggest otherwise.

Peregrina · 01/02/2021 17:46

I think

  1. Tory Party first (of course)

and being extremely blinkered she couldn't see that what the Tory party wanted wasn't necessarily good for the country.