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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2021 17:26

The UK press may be negligent in reporting what is going on in this country
but others are not
www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/europe/brexit-britain-trade.html

The comments are well worth a read too

mrslaughan · 13/02/2021 19:47

An oyster farmer with a different problem ......

twitter.com/hawardtom/status/1360622862256795648?s=21

TheABC · 13/02/2021 21:18

The DUP are threatening to pull the plug on Stormount.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-northern-ireland-protocol-article-16-b1801895.html

I am still baffled as to why anyone would want to wreck the GFA, but it's clearly in a different universe to the one I inhabit.

wewereliars · 13/02/2021 21:37

I was wondering that. Who benefits from wrecking the GFA, and how?

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2021 23:34

Some serious shit must be about to land as the Torygraph is reporting Johnson has signed off the Boris Burrow to NI. Apparently a bridge was ruled out because it would be closed to 100 days of the year due to the weather. So now a tunnel is going to fix everything.

Meanwhile Gove is talking about reinstating a hard border between NI and Ireland.

What could possibly be wrong with this plan apart from some pissed off Irishmen, some pissed off American and a shedload of pissed off Europeans.

Arlene will be happy though. Not sure how on earth we are going to pay for the next Johnson folly scheme...

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Peregrina · 13/02/2021 23:35

One thing the DUP ought to have learnt by now is that the Tory Government won't be interested in bailing them out unless it's to their own advantage and with an 80 seat majority they don't need the DUP.

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2021 23:36

@ListeningQuietly

See I have more faith that the grown ups will hold the GFA in place.

UK businesses are now much more aware of the cliff edges coming in April and July.

Empty shelves in supermarkets are already getting more obvious.

If the UK buckles and agrees to sign up to EU non tariff rules
the whole thing can be defused.
And 99% of the country would think we'd won.

You should have checked the newspapers tonight before this post...
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RedToothBrush · 13/02/2021 23:38

@Peregrina

One thing the DUP ought to have learnt by now is that the Tory Government won't be interested in bailing them out unless it's to their own advantage and with an 80 seat majority they don't need the DUP.
Its Gove and his hatred for the GFA that im worried about. Nothing to do with the DUP.
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Peregrina · 13/02/2021 23:47

Haven't Gove and Johnson realised that Trump isn't president anymore?

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2021 23:58

<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/13/in-the-fairytale-land-of-brexit-were-trading-with-the-world-its-a-fantasy#click=t.co/khSOZmmcsh" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/13/in-the-fairytale-land-of-brexit-were-trading-with-the-world-its-a-fantasy#click=t.co/khSOZmmcsh
In the fairytale land of Brexit, we’re trading with the world. It’s a fantasy
Nick Cohen

In a time of bogus conspiracy theories, the only real conspiracy is the conspiracy of silence. No one should be able to deny that Britain is in an economic and political crisis brought on by Brexit. Yet the government won’t talk about it. The opposition dare not mention it. The rightwing press won’t cover it. And broadcasters fear they will be damned as biased if they admit it. Rather than face reality, we live in an imaginary Britain, a land of make-believe, where the political class act out parts as if they are on a film set.

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Peregrina · 14/02/2021 00:18

The opposition dare not mention it.

The Labour part of the Opposition, well most of them, shot themselves in the foot when they voted for Johnson's deal. This will be thrown back at them time and time again.

vera99 · 14/02/2021 06:40

This is a shitshow to end all shitshows if it wasn't tragic it would almost be funny to see Johnson and chums come unstuck. But it is so it isn't. Johnson and Give let it be remembered have never done an honest days work in their lives just scribbled away their ever so witty nonsense.

TheABC · 14/02/2021 09:06

Ok, I am happy to put my hand up and ask the stupid question. Why would Gov hate the Good Friday Agreement? It's a decades-long successful peace treaty. Breaking it will put us in bad faith with just about everyone in the Western hemisphere. Not to mention restarting a civil war.

Why? I am happy to read links to this statements, if that helps.

HappyWinter · 14/02/2021 09:53

Let's hope this change in food rules doesn't come to pass. Apologies for the clickbait title, as many of them seem to be these days:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/14/uk-us-brexit-trade-deal-could-fill-supermarkets-with-cancer-risk-bacon

Thanks mrslaughan for the interesting twitter thread on zero covid and LQ for the NY Times article.

KonTikki · 14/02/2021 09:55

With regard to the article in the New York Times;
While I fully expect there to be a severe impact to this country in all sorts of ways as a direct result of Brexit, the NYT has been on a UK bashing crusade for a long time now.
Quite why I have no idea, but I take everything they publish about us with a large "pinch of salt".

redcandlelight · 14/02/2021 09:56

@TheABC

Ok, I am happy to put my hand up and ask the stupid question. Why would Gov hate the Good Friday Agreement? It's a decades-long successful peace treaty. Breaking it will put us in bad faith with just about everyone in the Western hemisphere. Not to mention restarting a civil war.

Why? I am happy to read links to this statements, if that helps.

because (imo) it doesn't allow for a clean break between the republic of ireland (an by extension the eu) and northern ireland (uk).
JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/02/2021 09:58

@Peregrina

The opposition dare not mention it.

The Labour part of the Opposition, well most of them, shot themselves in the foot when they voted for Johnson's deal. This will be thrown back at them time and time again.

If the party opposite had a problem with the deal Mr Speaker then why did they vote for it?
prettybird · 14/02/2021 10:13

Gove in his infamous pamphlet claimed that the GFA was "appeasement of the IRA" and that incorporating equal human rights in Northern Ireland would be "terrible" ShockConfused

And that it was unconscionable to allow Ireland and Sinn Fein any say in what happens in NI Hmm

Peregrina · 14/02/2021 10:18

I have just read an email from Jolyon Maugham's Good Law Project

The deal, worth up to £145 million, was handed to Deloitte to ‘support testing for Covid 19’ for just five months. Deloitte has been given at least 25 public sector COVID-19-contracts since the outbreak of the pandemic, of which contracts totalling £170 million were awarded without any competition.

It's time someone totted up all the sums of money wasted on failed crony contracts and put that on the side of the bus and say that this could have been spent on the NHS.

And a reminder for the true BeLeavers - the vaccine roll out is being handled by the NHS - one of the few parts of the Covid crisis that has been got right.

HappyWinter · 14/02/2021 10:27

NHS has done very well with the vaccine rollout. Hopefully they will take more of the tracing in house to public health teams as they are doing with the surge testing for variants at the moment.

Peregrina · 14/02/2021 10:28

I am quite sure that Blair, Major, Senator Mitchell and all those involved in negotiating the GFA knew that sitting down to talk with Sinn Fein could be seen as appeasement, but they also knew that there had been atrocities by the other side, (which didn't get many reports in the British Press) and they had enough sense to realise that a way had to find things in common which both sides could agree with, to stop what had now become a war of attrition with both sides losing.

From the DUP side, yes, they were top dogs and now they lose out.

Peregrina · 14/02/2021 10:32

And that it was unconscionable to allow Ireland and Sinn Fein any say in what happens in NI

If that is what a majority in N I vote for, doesn't that become the Will of the People, which trumps absolutely everything else?Confused

DGRossetti · 14/02/2021 10:47

Brexit was bought with a dud cheque. So fuck all and any that try to cash it.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/14/leaveeu-donor-arron-banks-loses-data-breach-appeal

A dud is a dud is a dud.

LouiseCollins28 · 14/02/2021 10:55

@Peregrina

I am quite sure that Blair, Major, Senator Mitchell and all those involved in negotiating the GFA knew that sitting down to talk with Sinn Fein could be seen as appeasement, but they also knew that there had been atrocities by the other side, (which didn't get many reports in the British Press) and they had enough sense to realise that a way had to find things in common which both sides could agree with, to stop what had now become a war of attrition with both sides losing.

From the DUP side, yes, they were top dogs and now they lose out.

No "could be seen as about it" from my point of view. Absolutely was appeasement, simple.

The interesting question is whether that strategy was necessary. Strong argument for saying it was to bring major hostilities to an end IMO.

Always interested me that DUP and SF ended up sharing power rather than the UUP and the SDLP who did it at the start and were often seen as the more moderate expressions of Unionist and Nationalist setiments respectively.

mrslaughan · 14/02/2021 10:59

What was that about helping the north?
More levelling down.....

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/14/as-half-its-sales-are-wiped-out-silk-firm-joins-exodus-to-europe

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