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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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derxa · 12/02/2021 16:35

@borntobequiet

Lib Dems hook up with 5G cranks

LDs have been lost to rationality for some time now, sadly. I stopped supporting them when they told me that, as a woman who knows what a woman is, I was not welcome.

Yup
borntobequiet · 12/02/2021 16:37

I naively thought that making such a hoo-ha about the EU invoking Art. 16 might make the UK look silly if it invoked it in future.

FrankieStein402 · 12/02/2021 16:38

For the avoidance of doubt, the EU has loads of faults, so does every other country in the world, including ourselves - it just so happens they are our nearest neighbours and now our nearest competitors.

We will always have more trade in physical goods with the EU than with any other country or trading block in the world. That is good. It should/must increase if we are to tackle climate change.

Guess what UvdL and Starmer have in common? - they have both admitted getting something wrong - unlike any member of our government.

ListeningQuietly · 12/02/2021 16:49

and the BBC are again giving Fromage publicity
complaint lodged

DGRossetti · 12/02/2021 17:37

USA doing the UKs job.

Again.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56021205

US President Joe Biden has raised the issue of human rights abuses in Xinjiang during his first call with Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping, the White House said.

Mr Biden also pressed Mr Xi on trade, the clampdown in Hong Kong and ongoing tensions with Taiwan.

(contd)

DGRossetti · 12/02/2021 17:40

Ha. I bet the Germans desperately wished they'd got out of the EU to be able to secure their own borders, following the example the UK failed to set in 2020.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56039335

Germany is to ban travel across some of its borders, after the interior ministry said Austria's Tyrol region and the Czech Republic were now classed as coronavirus "mutation areas".

(contd)

Oh, hang on ...

DGRossetti · 12/02/2021 17:57

Who doesn't like a pretty picture ?

Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
mrslaughan · 12/02/2021 19:57

Great thread on the issues over financial pass porting and equivalence

twitter.com/emporersnewc/status/1360281291455926276?s=21

ListeningQuietly · 12/02/2021 19:58

Both BigChoc and LeClerc have been emailing today
and say Hi!
from the safety of mainland EU.

Both say that there is less than none coverage of Brexit intheir local news
BUT
LeClerc lives in Northern France
so it will be interesting to see what happens when the UK
starts to comply with WTO rules
and enforce customs checks
leaving lorries stranded all over the Pas de Calais
as UK importers struggle to get their papers in order

Peregrina · 12/02/2021 20:37

I agree - great thread on financial passporting - if we want equivalence we have to abide by the rules/laws. We don't want to abide by the rules - making our own laws etc was a big selling point of Brexit, therefore no passporting.

mrslaughan · 12/02/2021 21:12

This will be fantastic- if it eventuates....

twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1360313143801561096?s=21

Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2021 12:43

Daniel Lambert (yet again)
shows that the Red Tape is being created by the UK
to strangle UK businesses
and the EU is sitting watching, slack jawed
twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1360503767410634754

DGRossetti · 13/02/2021 12:54

[quote ListeningQuietly]Daniel Lambert (yet again)
shows that the Red Tape is being created by the UK
to strangle UK businesses
and the EU is sitting watching, slack jawed
twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1360503767410634754[/quote]
Wind anything up too tight and it will explode.

It's impossible not to form the conclusion that the "it" in this case is the GFA.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2021 13:01

See I have more faith that the grown ups will hold the GFA in place.

UK businesses are now much more aware of the cliff edges coming in April and July.

Empty shelves in supermarkets are already getting more obvious.

If the UK buckles and agrees to sign up to EU non tariff rules
the whole thing can be defused.
And 99% of the country would think we'd won.

prettybird · 13/02/2021 13:09

I noticed that the cauliflowers in Lidl yesterday were labelled British cauliflowers Wink and were all very small . Never noticed that before.

DGRossetti · 13/02/2021 13:15

See I have more faith that the grown ups will hold the GFA in place.

But you aren't running the show. And I believe that those that are - whether through idiocy or mendacity - have convinced those around them that if the UK keeps this up long enough, the GFA will go first. Bearing in mind that was a long term goal that was promised when a Trump presidency would have made it more believable.

Of course, getting rid of the GFA can be done in a couple of ways.; Firstly by completing the entire back to the 70s vibe and restarting the sectarian violence. Or secondly by uniting Ireland and shrinking the UK to Fortress Britain soon to be England

If you think things through, then there is sense in it all. Destroy the City first. That removes the ability of the IRA to bomb it for leverage like they learned to last time. Couple that with the devastated economy and parade a litany of stories about how it's the nasty EU using Ireland as a proxy, and the job is as good as done.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2021 13:19

Ah OK, so on the basis that uniting Ireland will deal with the GFA
yup, just a matter of time

pointythings · 13/02/2021 13:30

I think we need a lot more pain before we can get anywhere. The hubris and exceptionalism are still strong - my Tory voting former diving instructor (who is a lovely bloke and voted Remain) gave me a bit of vaccine nationalism the other day, until I pointed out to him that the vaccination scheme was being implemented and run by the NHS, as opposed to test and trace and PPE procurement, which had been handed over to Tory chums and were not going so well. Made him think.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/02/2021 14:15

I get Cornish caulis with flag.
The last cauli I got was tiny. (Can't remember if it was Cornish as I take the plastic off.) Morrisons.

I am getting most things ordered but noticing lots of gaps in the website so some things can't be ordered. Still enough stuff there for it to be only annoying/not really obvious rather than really in your face difficulties. It risks becoming new normal, and unnoticed.

mrslaughan · 13/02/2021 14:20

I know this is a Brexit thread - and I am about to copy a Covid thread - but what is interesting in her first couple of tweets is how the narrative around a Covid strategy is being controlled by the media- who have no interest in educating the population, but are controlling the dialogue.

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1360579055465152515?s=21

LouiseCollins28 · 13/02/2021 15:41

[quote mrslaughan]I know this is a Brexit thread - and I am about to copy a Covid thread - but what is interesting in her first couple of tweets is how the narrative around a Covid strategy is being controlled by the media- who have no interest in educating the population, but are controlling the dialogue.

twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1360579055465152515?s=21[/quote]
when you've done this would you mind posting a link to the thread you've added it to please. I'm trying to do some reading up on zero covid having only recently come across it as a strategy. thanks.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2021 15:54

Louise
Click the link - its a twitter thread

mrslaughan · 13/02/2021 17:09

Did you get it to work @LouiseCollins28 ?
She is interesting- she particularly seems to have a very good handle on the effect of Covid on children (transmission through to long Covid) . If you find her on Twitter she also has a link in a tweet to a radio interview last night. It's quite difficult listening as there are three mean talking over her for a lot of it..... even though she is way more on top of the info than they are.

Independent sage is also really good - and have papers on their website - steps for a way forward. Plus their weekly sessions are on YouTube - I listen to them like podcasts.

LouiseCollins28 · 13/02/2021 17:25

Thank you I've caught up with the tweets now Smile. Sorry I misread your original message and thought you were posting the twitter thread on A thread in the Coronavirus board here on MN

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