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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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ListeningQuietly · 09/02/2021 16:03

Clav
Do us all a favour.

Show us a video of one of the current cabinet saying that we would leave the Customs Union / Single Market
before the vote
I'll settle for an article in a reputable news source

DGRossetti · 09/02/2021 16:05

Why waste time with 4 year old news, when it's flooding in by the hour ?

Bee0808 · 09/02/2021 16:12

Ffs
Just stop feeding the 🐿

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:12

More winning....

www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-meat-exports-idUSKBN2A91XC

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:12

5 Feb 2021 -
Amazon says it has begun recruiting more than 1,000 apprentices across its range of interests in the UK.

The e-commerce to cloud storage giant said it was recruiting in 25 different employment areas ranging from IT, safety technicians and software engineering to creative digital design and robotics.

the positions held out the opportunity of full-time roles ahead for at least 500 of the successful applicants.

news.sky.com/story/amazon-creates-1-000-apprenticeships-across-the-uk-12208676

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:15

You know all those bigoted racist who wanted (and apparently still want ) Europeans out - also meant companies are moving out .... Europeans still keep their jobs - possibly gain more opportunities, while the UK looses out on tax revenues..... ain't Brexit great....

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:17

Sorry Clav - I missed the point about what that has to do with your beloved Brexit....

ListeningQuietly · 09/02/2021 16:19

Amazon
The company - which earlier this week revealed a 51% leap in UK sales last year to £19.4bn and the departure of its founder and chief executive Jeff Bezos - said the positions held out the opportunity of full-time roles ahead for at least 500 of the successful applicants.
The roles will pay a minimum of £10.80 an hour in the London area.
Well that will definitely cover the mortgage payments Hmm

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:22

ListeningQuietly

8 May 2016;
Michael Gove says leaving EU would mean quitting single market.

www.ft.com/content/0c5c74bc-151e-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e

May 9, 2016 - Boris Johnson’s speech on the EU referendum

What the government wants is for us to remain locked into the Single Market law-making regime, and to be exposed to 2500 new EU regulations a year. What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law.

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/05/boris-johnsons-speech-on-the-eu-referendum-full-text.html

Peregrina · 09/02/2021 16:23

Clavinova - only a clip and without seeing the whole programme I can't say that it's his full statement. But it was a useful extract none the less, in that he is not denying the Free movement of Labour, which was what FoM always was. The UK chose not to keep records of who was coming in and not finding a job within 3 months, but that was not the fault of the EU.

So we had voted by then, but I defy you find a ballot paper which says If Vote Leave - which of these options is acceptable.

You could definitely argue that Johnson got his mandate in December 2019, but it was as I recall, an 'Oven ready deal', not something little better than No Deal cobbled together at the last moment. Which a majority of MPs happily voted through, despite being prepared to admit that they hadn't read it.

I wonder if you would go to a restaurant and choose your favourite item, we will say a nice juicy steak, and ask for it well done, to find that you wait an hour, and an uncooked piece of meat which is going off and only fit for the bin is served up for you, at the top price. Then say how wonderful, not demand your money back.

DGRossetti · 09/02/2021 16:23

@mrslaughan

You know all those bigoted racist who wanted (and apparently still want ) Europeans out - also meant companies are moving out .... Europeans still keep their jobs - possibly gain more opportunities, while the UK looses out on tax revenues..... ain't Brexit great....
Imagine owning your new blue UK passport and seeing people with an EU passport being offered your job to move to Europe.
mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:25

Music industry destroyed on the sacrificial alter of brexit...... I imagine Clav is dancing around it in her robes.....

twitter.com/profbriancox/status/1359163285753520128?s=21

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:25

Well that will definitely cover the mortgage payments

I assume the 1,000 apprentices will be young/in their first job;

Those in other parts of the UK, where the cost of living tends to be lower, would receive £9.70 with up to £30,000 annually for degree-level apprenticeships.

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:29

Peregrina
Clavinova - only a clip and without seeing the whole programme I can't say that it's his full statement.

It's up to you to show where your quote came from - you haven't done that.

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:29

Clav - but still nothing to do with Brexit, but everything to do with Covid.
Those apprenticeships are not going to make olio for how fucked the economy is by the mismanagement Covid and the disaster of Brexit.

Enjoy the tax raises won't you....

DGRossetti · 09/02/2021 16:30

[quote mrslaughan]twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1359154064525770752?s=21[/quote]
Well, if you insist on being foreign in England, what do you expect ? A medal ?

Peregrina · 09/02/2021 16:38

What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law.

Which could be translated as we want a Norway, Iceland or Swiss agreement, or we want our cake and eat it. Or it could be translated as Johnson waffle: we want the privileges of the Single Market but we don't want to pay for it. Then they got told to slink their hooks.

Peregrina · 09/02/2021 16:46

What do you expect from the Government which brought us the Windrush scandal. At the same time whinging that they want to renegotiate with the EU.

Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:48

Peregrina

From Johnson's speech -

It is absurd that Britain – historically a great free-trading nation – has been unable for 42 years to do a free trade deal with Australia, New Zealand, China, India and America.

It is above all bizarre for the Remain campaign to say that after the UK agreement of February we are now living in a “reformed” EU, when there has been not a single change to EU competences, not a single change to the Treaty, nothing on agriculture, nothing on the role of the court, nothing of any substance on borders...

DGRossetti · 09/02/2021 16:48

@Peregrina

What we want is for Britain to be like many other countries in having free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market–but not to be subject to the vast, growing and politically-driven empire of EU law.

Which could be translated as we want a Norway, Iceland or Swiss agreement, or we want our cake and eat it. Or it could be translated as Johnson waffle: we want the privileges of the Single Market but we don't want to pay for it. Then they got told to slink their hooks.

Cake and eat it, still.

I'm quite enjoying reading the Brexiteer froth at the moment. I know we can't call them thick racists, but since all I'm reading is thick racist posting, I'm not quite sure what to say. The funniest bit is the repeated whinge that "everything was working before we left, so why isn't it now" which kinda misses the point by a country mile.

DW and I are catching up on some stuff she missed first time around - Yes Minister being in the stack. It's fascinating that the plots are almost pitch perfect for the modern age.

DGRossetti · 09/02/2021 16:50

@Peregrina

What do you expect from the Government which brought us the Windrush scandal. At the same time whinging that they want to renegotiate with the EU.
Anyone else smiling grimly at the thought of the UK being told Non once again ?
Clavinova · 09/02/2021 16:55

DGRossetti

What have you got against Australia, New Zealand, China, India and America? You sound quite inward-looking.

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 16:57

From the women that is brexits greatest cheerleader that's fucking rich.....

mrslaughan · 09/02/2021 17:01

See also Boris the liar who very rarely has his facts straight.....