Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

[RedToothBrush]

The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

This might help vaccine production in the future, if it becomes viable. www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/curevac-teaming-up-tesla-to-make-rna-microfactories-for-covid-19-shot

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This whole vaccine row is one fucking great squirrel

it is distracting the journos and the chatterati from the fact that the supply chain has gone dolally

I went to Sainsburys yesterday
Tins of tomatoes - Italian brands (labels only in Italian) - four different ones
WHY?
Because its what was stocked up in December, probably for a food manufacturer or wholesaler
In the chill aisle, the stock stickers are further apart and more stock is at the front
In the ambient aisles, the overshelf storage is emptying
and prices are rising
and rising

but hey vaccines

Bee0808
More than happy for you to explain DGRossetti's thinking to me Bee0808.

HannibalHayes

You asked me to look at the chart in your screen shot. If you like Japan so much there are several things we could copy go forwards;

2008 - Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions.

Japan, a country not known for its overweight people, has undertaken one of the most ambitious campaigns ever by a nation to slim down its citizenry...

With the new law, Matsushita has to measure the waistlines of not only its employees but also of their families and retirees. As part of its intensifying efforts, the company has started giving its employees “metabo check” towels that double as tape measures.

“Nobody will want to be singled out as metabo,” Kimiko Shigeno, a company nurse, said of the campaign. “It’ll have the same effect as non-smoking campaigns where smokers are now looked at disapprovingly.”

Companies like Matsushita must measure the waistlines of at least 80 percent of their employees. Furthermore, they must get 10 percent of those deemed metabolic to lose weight by 2012, and 25 percent of them to lose weight by 2015.

NEC, Japan’s largest maker of personal computers, said that if it failed to meet its targets, it could incur as much as $19 million in penalties. The company has decided to nip metabo in the bud by starting to measure the waistlines of all its employees over 30 years old and by sponsoring metabo education days for the employees’ families.

Some experts say the government’s guidelines on everything from waistlines to blood pressure are so strict that meeting, or exceeding, those targets will be impossible. They say that the government’s real goal is to shift health care costs onto the private sector.

www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13iht-13fat.13680954.html

2018 - Japan took in 20 asylum seekers last year as nearly 20,000 applied.

Immigration is a controversial subject in Japan, where many pride themselves on cultural and ethnic homogeneity, even as the population ages and its workforce shrinks.

Although a major donor to international aid organisations, Japan has been reluctant to relax asylum policies or allow in migrant blue-collar workers.

Japan accepted 28 people as refugees in 2016.

www.reuters.com/article/uk-japan-immigration-refugees/japan-took-in-20-asylum-seekers-last-year-as-nearly-20000-applied-idUKKBN1FX12Q?edition-redirect=uk

The supermarkets are emptier than usual - the Sainsbury's I visited today had gaps throughout the store and two perishable isles completely boxed up. Ditto Co-Op, the other day. However, that could just be the pandemic pressures of everyone eating at home, plus bad weather and Saturday shopping habits.

I am not pressing the alarm, just yet.

I haven’t been watching this thread for a few days, I’d need to catch up, but I wouldn’t describe the vaccine row as a squirrel. A spat that will blow over, as vaccines become available, production hopefully eases, and distribution gets moving. I don’t know that expecting the EU -or Japan to be gods own angels is either realistic or defensible. This is geopolitics, and the point of leaving the EU is that they are now a foreign power that has its own interests to look after. Japan is famous for looking after its own people first, a practice some describe as xenophobic, and also for misogyny and peculiar attitudes towards whaling. No one’s an angel - perhaps there’s fewer demons too.

Just for Listening, vaccines and Brexit repercussions on the same page: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-30/a-month-on-from-brexit-u-k-firms-are-being-slowly-ground-down

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/tesla-backed-vaccine-stock-gets-first-sell-after-a-752-rally Well it is on one page on my device!

More from our wine merchant...

The link would help....

twitter.com/daniellambert29/status/1355437505642975233?s=21

Ah, more irrelevant cut'n'paste.

Yeah, that's convincing...

MayYouLive
Yup. It is very much death by 1000 cuts rather than anything fast.
We are frogs in the pan.
MrsL
I have been reading Dan Lamberts threads because the joy of getting "echantillons" delivered from everywhere to have with lunch at a former employer was definitely one of the perks
you HAVE to taste champagne today with your starter

Fresh Plaza 12 January;

Empty produce shelves predominantly due to Spanish veg shortage.

There have been reports in the UK’s national media about empty produce shelves at the supermarkets, which they say are caused by Brexit but this may not be the full story.

Ernie Miller from Mark Murphy part of the Total Produce Group, said that it is predominately the weather in Spain which is causing the shortages. Spain had the first snow of the year last Thursday brought by storm Filomena, which left 300 trucks stranded in Vilena. The accompanying cold weather has seen vegetable supplies drop and prices soar.

Madrid has seen the heaviest snowfall in 50 years, 50 cm. The city also experienced empty supermarket shelves as supplies could not get through.

The cold weather with temperatures as low as -10 C in central Spain will last until Thursday according to meteorological agency Aemet.

“We do have some product arriving from Spain, Brexit has not helped the situation but any shortages are predominately down to the adverse weather conditions there. Some people are just jumping on the Brexit bandwagon.

www.freshplaza.com/article/9283289/empty-produce-shelves-predominantly-due-to-spanish-veg-shortage/

The thing about the eu reducing exports of medication isn’t new. They did that from March last year. Just like the USA. No one had an issue with that then....

What is different now is that the U.K. isn’t in the eu and might be affected by it!

Empty produce shelves predominantly due to Spanish veg shortage.
Yup, that TOTALLY explains the frozen chips
and the curry ready meals
let alone the sausage rolls
not being in stock

Tbh, most of my shopping is at Lidl.
I haven’t seen any empty shelves yet...

More from our wine merchant...

He has this response though??

This is not quite right. The gov is NOT introducing Vi1s for EU wine importing, which require a lab test.

But...it is introducing (simpler, cheaper) EUUK wine import certificates...

^This is what we needed, better than expected but not everything
@ wstauk argued for...^

@Coquohvan

Plus - would we be where we are if the EU hadn't put there billions into vaccine development?

That doesn't take account of individual countries within the EUs expenditure

LQ - you forgot the mozerella

@DGRossetti have you got info on that plz?

MrsL
I admit to having bulk bought mozzarella
BUT
(and I checked)
it was ALL welsh manufactured Galbani (the postcode gave it away despite the own brand tag)
SO
we have the cheap stuff
but not the Italian stuff

Its a silly thing but having in the past worked for a company that did supermarket refits
I'm very aware that the gondolas are on wheels

• a shop can remove one and widen every other aisle by 5cm

and hide that they have significantly reduced stock (Quality Street in reverse)

^a shop can remove one and widen every other aisle by 5cm
and hide that they have significantly reduced stock^

Only up to a point. Check what the floor looks like. It's like taking a picture down and there is a clean spot underneath.

Eventually Covid-19 will be over. Since most of Europe especially the the UK has messed up, we will then see which countries recover and which don't.

[quote Coquohvan]@DGRossetti have you got info on that plz?[/quote]
I was also interested in this. I can't find the source Airfinity statistics, it appears they're not publicly available. The EU apparently funded "€660+ million" on total research (including, but not limited to, vaccines):
www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/covid-19-research-and-vaccines/
or at least £1.30/person.

Germany provided €750M:
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/germany-biontech-curevac-covid/
or around £7.98/person.

Based on these, in the absence of clean figures, it looks like the original chart you provided probably describes combined per capita government funding for vaccine development for the entire EU. To put it another way, taking into account the population sizes, it seems like the UK government provided funding equal (in absolute terms) to the entire EU combined. Considering the economic impact, I'm surprised they didn't provide greater funding.

Empty shelves in Sainsbury, Waitrose and local mart led me too look up where lactofree millk comes from - Sweden :(

@Gronky I too have been looking I find it very interesting, as yet to find more clear information. DGRousette has posted the graph doesn’t account for all countries expenditure.
All that I have found up till now, you’d think countries would be proud of contributing to this and willingly publish it.