Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

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The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

*Yes its like a SUN headline.

100s of '000s of europeans have died in this pandemic but what matters is putting one over on the other side, not seeking to reduce deaths and vaccinate the most vulnerable.

Europe appears to be counting vaccinations based on the 2nd dose been given.
If it turns out they were right, this saga may still have some way to go.*

Earlier I saw comments on a news paper article saying that Germany haven't approved the AstraZeneca.vaccine for over 65s out of spite. When I questioned if they really belived Germany would sacrifice the lives of its most vulnerable just to poke the UK in the eye, the overwelming response was yes, of course they would, they had no trouble murdering millions in the past, why would now be any different. Honestly, The Sun seems very tame compared to the attitudes of some brits.

Vaccines are a Squirrel

they have highly effectively made everybody forget that the impacts of Brexit are just getting going.

The UK is now like Morocco
a third party country separated from the Schengen area by a shipping lane
(Morocco's is only 14.4 km wide, the UK's is 33.3 km)

and NOTHING is going to change the EU looking after its own over the coming months and years.

When I questioned if they really belived Germany would sacrifice the lives of its most vulnerable just to poke the UK in the eye, the overwelming response was yes, of course they would, they had no trouble murdering millions in the past, why would now be any different

A significant minority of people in the UK hate the peoples of europe, they'll say its the EU commission but when it comes to it, they hate them all .... equally.

@Bluethrough

When I questioned if they really belived Germany would sacrifice the lives of its most vulnerable just to poke the UK in the eye, the overwelming response was yes, of course they would, they had no trouble murdering millions in the past, why would now be any different

A significant minority of people in the UK hate the peoples of europe, they'll say its the EU commission but when it comes to it, they hate them all .... equally.

Yesterday really brought that home for me. Even here on MN there was/still is a really nasty undertone of hatred. I felt very sadden and like a PP aslo said, started to think it was time to walk away.

@Mistigri

*UK - 1 EU - 0*

Like I said, vaccine nationalism is very popular with voters of all stripes. It honestly disgusts me.

....and also shows an ignorance to the global issue ..... we won't be "safe", "normal-ish" life won't return until globally something like 70-80% of total population globally are vaccinated......

So - no one wins.

Plus - would we be where we are if the EU hadn't put there billions into vaccine development?

So yeah - point scoring pretty putrid

....and also shows an ignorance to the global issue ..... we won't be "safe", "normal-ish" life won't return until globally something like 70-80% of total population globally are vaccinated......

The problem with that is it means vaccinating poor people. And as we know, the current world imperative is to do fuck all for poor people until they have finally made up to the world for being poor.

This is probably why vaccine research was so accelerated compared to vaccine delivery

It's been a long while since anybody has really had to understand that it's sometimes possible to help yourself by helping others first. Which is why it's such an unfamiliar concept. If only there was a way of getting people all together to commit to such an idea. I reckon it might catch on. You could even have dedicated spaces for them to meet. Maybe call them "churches" ?

with vaccine production (or the production of any medicine that is made in cell cultures) there is a risk of failure of a batch.
a bit like the sourdough you have changing and starting to smell and go off. you then can't use it to make bread anymore and need to start again with a fresh starter.
and you can't easily upscale either.
with your sourdough starter you can bake one, maybe 2 loafs and keep starter back for next time. you couldn't suddenly bake 100 loafs (loaves?) from your starter.

Once you deviate from that, all bets are off.

Yes because there is no phase 3 trial evidence supporting longer intervals.

This is because the phase 3 trials used 3 week intervals between doses. This is unusual - a much longer interval is normal - 3 weeks was chosen as an optimum between shortest trial period and having measureable responses.

The phase 2 trial data that was used to support the decision to give a booster shot did however use 28d and 56day intervals and saw no significant difference in the immune responses:
www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-01179-4

As with all science, without repeated experiments nothing is proven, but there would have to be very unusual behaviour of the immune system response for the 12 week interval to show a significantly reduced response. It's a pretty safe bet.

This is particularly true for the Oxford vaccine which is based on relatively 'old' technology.

As a further point - consider how unusually short a 3 week booster interval is:

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/A/age-interval-table.pdf

Well it seems we were at it first.....

twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1355297396599775234?s=21

[quote mrslaughan]Well it seems we were at it first.....

twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1355297396599775234?s=21[/quote]
Who was it who commented how mature the UK government seemed to be ? Possibly because:

The U.K. placed a series of export restrictions last year on around 100 medicines that could be used to treat COVID-19 patients despite criticizing others for considering similar limits on vaccines

I think, if we were a bit humble (I know that humility is in short supply) we might be asking questions about why other regulators have been slower to approve the AZ vaccine.

I don't know but just checked as household member just got the AZ vaccine. But "the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is a chimpanzee adenovirus-vectored vaccine".

I'm not clear from reading this "No adenovirus vector vaccine has yet been approved for use in the United States, though several have completed phase 2 studies with adenovirus vaccines against other diseases." if that means ever or just for Covid that this type of vaccine has never been approved by the US?

Well it seems we were at it first...

April 2020;
Half of EU states have designated long lists of drugs that cannot be exported during the coronavirus emergency. The lists include medication used to treat COVID-19 patients such as muscle relaxants, painkillers and hydroxychloroquine.

www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-drug-idINKCN21Q2OO

April 2019 -
The Belgian parliament has voted to introduce restrictions upon exported pharmaceutical products, thereby restricting parallel trade with other EU Member States and potentially impinging upon the freedom of movement of goods and services.

mapbiopharma.com/home/2019/04/belgium-restricts-parallel-trade-on-pharmaceuticals/

29 January 2021 -
DAVOS 2021: Japan and Korea attack EU's vaccine nationalism.

Government ministers from Japan and Korea have attacked the vaccine nationalism of the European Union, urging the bloc not to adopt export controls on COVID-19 vaccines and urging international cooperation.

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/davos-2021-japan-korea-vaccine-nationalism-covid-19-coronavirus-eu-122117522.html

parallel trade/parallel distribution of medicines is different from medicines manufacturers selling their ware.
it's specialist companies buying medicines in one country, re-packaging them and selling them on somewhere else.
there have been issues with companies buying stock from poorer countries, leaving them with shortages. or selling medicines that have been stolen.

there have been issues with companies buying stock from poorer countries, leaving them with shortages. or selling medicines that have been stolen.

Of course if a medicine is sold at a lower price to a poorer country, there is every incentive for crooks to buy that up and then re-sell it at a premium price in a much richer country.

And once you've crossed that ethical hiccup, why bother with the real medicine. Just fill some vials with distilled (hopefully) water and sit back and count the profits.

I vague recall there was a (US) episode of "Law & Order" where this happened, and Jack McCoy referenced "The Third Man" ...

westenglandbylines.co.uk/australia-deal-threatens-british-farming/

parallel distribution is highly regulated in the eu to reduce foul play.
but still some crooks try to and sometime achieve to get a foot in.

lunapharm example

It seems the parallel trade restriction lasted 6 months.

October 2019;
A ban on the parallel exporting of medicines from Belgium did not achieve the desired objective of preventing drug shortages, and was also against EU rules, the Constitutional Court has ruled.

@Clavinova

It seems the parallel trade restriction lasted 6 months.

October 2019;
A ban on the parallel exporting of medicines from Belgium did not achieve the desired objective of preventing drug shortages, and was also against EU rules, the Constitutional Court has ruled.

You might want to pull that post, Clav.

You might want to pull that post, Clav.

No - why?

@Clavinova

You might want to pull that post, Clav.

No - why?

Think about what you've done. And you - a Brexiteer too.

Think about what you've done.

I'm going to make dinner now - you might enlighten me later.

@Clavinova

Think about what you've done.

I'm going to make dinner now - you might enlighten me later.

I'm sure a lot of posters here have spotted it

😁

@Clavinova

HannibalHayes Well, if cutnpasteova would like a direct comparison - compare Ireland and Northern Ireland here, and suggest what might be responsible for the difference...

Population density?

Northern Ireland 137 (people/km2)
Ireland 70

But apparently that's not important if it's Japan?

Get your arguments right!

Plus - would we be where we are if the EU hadn't put there billions into vaccine development?