Westminstenders: Move Your Business To The EU

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The government is advising people to move their businesses to the EU to avoid UK taxation and red tape.

Why would you do this?

For the interests of the uk?

Or is it about power WITHIN the uk?

What you're missing here is EU public opinion. And I can tell you right now that apart from in Ireland (and the EU will smooth things over with Dublin) no one cares. If the EU strong arms AZ into giving them more vaccine, and stops exports to the U.K. - public opinion will support them. Just as U.K. public opinion has supported vaccine jingoism, including pretty much everyone on here, so too will EU public opinion support it.

Pandora's box has been opened and it will be hard to shut.

Louise: sane Irish voices are saying not. (If I am wrong I will hold my hands up.) I'm not sure I would trust the U.K. press on this - it has an absolutely lousy record on reporting EU issues, and opinions are running very hot in the U.K. right now.

Fair enough Misti if the sources I've linked to are wrong I'll do the same, like I said, seriously confused here. Not good developments though for any party to the agreements which only came into full effect a month ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

Yep they gone and invoked Article 16! It's getting very OTT at the moment! Wtf is going on here? It's awful! Last thing we want is a vaccine war!😮

@Mistigri - I have been very uncomfortable about the vaccine jingoism.... may not have said it in here - but it's just a continuation of the Brexit bullshit...

You could be right about not wanting us back - or could it be that they have had enough of Johnson government..... they have hardly promoted a collaborative working relationship- they are just saying two can play at that game....

I have seen the government's rhetoric around vaccines very goady- given that they have involved multinational teams and multiple governments have funded their development....

And now Government talking about a plan for easing lockdown to be announced end of February. Are they having a laugh???? Numbers up today on positive infections and way too high to even contemplate any easing of lockdown.and did anyone see those videos of Heathrow terminal this morning with people coming back from UAE? absolutely heaving no social distancing and a super spreader event?

@Mistigri

The EU know full well we’ll be limping back in 10 years poorer, bitterer, apologetic. The U.K. government now have to take the immediate consequences of its choice.

20:52mrslaughan

I have seen the government's rhetoric around vaccines very goady- given that they have involved multinational teams and multiple governments have funded their development....

Gloating sheer gloating more like. There's an old saying he who laughs last laughs longest!

I think the last year (Johnson government) has basically ended any goodwill on the EU side. You're now a large and occasionally hostile competitor who needs to be taken down a peg or two.

That's the brutal truth.

What people are missing here is that this spat is extremely one sided. People in the U.K. care about what the EU does, but people in the EU do not care what the British do. Most of them don't follow what's going on with any particular interest and they would have that vaccine off your granny without hesitation (just as you folks have been absolutely cool and on board with taking vaccines away from French and German grannies).

On twitter Brits are losing their shit and the French ... haven't noticed that anything is going on.

Because EU invoked Article 16 what will our Government now do?

You could be right about not wanting us back - or could it be that they have had enough of Johnson government..... they have hardly promoted a collaborative working relationship- they are just saying two can play at that game....

That’s my reading. They bent over backwards to play fair. And yet this government are cunts. Fine - live by the sword, die by the sword.

twitter.com/castlvillageman/status/1355231051468181511

Irishmonk
@castlvillageman
A crash-course on the Article 16 of the NI protocol.

1. It may be used unilaterally by either party to address a single issue of a temporary nature until the issue is resolved. It only addresses the SINGLE issue so the rest of the protocol is PROTECTED and continues to function.

7:07 PM · Jan 29, 2021·Twitter Web App 160 Retweets 39 Quote Tweets 292 Likes Irishmonk **@castlvillageman** · 1h Replying to **@castlvillageman**

1. This single issue is a possible export ban on vaccines in EU being exported to the detriment of EU citizens. As the export ban (possible) includes UK and NI is essentially within the EU in some respects, NI could import vaccine from EU and pass it on to GB thus making...

Irishmonk **@castlvillageman** · 1h ... the export restriction ineffective .

1. Article 16 is there to protect the protocol. It does the opposite of suspending it. It allows a single issue resolution while ensuring the rest of the protocol to function.

Irishmonk **@castlvillageman** · 1h Irishmonk **@castlvillageman** · 1h PS. I wish uninformed knee-Jerk Brit media and jingoist anti-EU folk would calm the fuck down. There is a procedure.

I think the last year (Johnson government) has basically ended any goodwill on the EU side. You're now a large and occasionally hostile competitor who needs to be taken down a peg or two.

That's the brutal truth.

Absolutely. And that’s as it should be.

Pick a fight with one of the biggest global hitters you will get a finger in the eye eventually.

@Mistigri

I think the last year (Johnson government) has basically ended any goodwill on the EU side. You're now a large and occasionally hostile competitor who needs to be taken down a peg or two.

That's the brutal truth.

What people are missing here is that this spat is extremely one sided. People in the U.K. care about what the EU does, but people in the EU do not care what the British do. Most of them don't follow what's going on with any particular interest and they would have that vaccine off your granny without hesitation (just as you folks have been absolutely cool and on board with taking vaccines away from French and German grannies).

On twitter Brits are losing their shit and the French ... haven't noticed that anything is going on.

Yes, this!

twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1355257712335089667?s=21

Tony Connolly reporting Article 16 has not been triggered and probably won't be. Tbh I trust him over the BBC twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355257712335089667

Thanks mrslaughan.

Brits will carry on losing their shit regardless of course. Triggered!

Struggling to give a shit at the moment.

My aged P is really, really, really ill
and I cannot go see them
or go knock their doctors' heads together

My less aged P does not know yet
and I do not want to be the purveyor of shit news
even though they hate each other

and the government are being utter wazzocks
and then I'm afraid

This is all grist to the mill for the Leavers and their Screaming - it's all the EU bullying us.

Johnson messes up the Covid situation.
He messes up the Brexit deal.
But the one thing we did do pretty well until now, was get a University Lab to create a vaccine, and existing public health structures i.e. GPs to roll them out. So after all the jingoism, Bingo we can blame the EU for messing up the vaccine supply - and Johnson will hope that people forget and it buys him some time.

England might forget, Scotland won't, NI won't and I wouldn't like to say about Wales.

Don't forget too, that there is a potential row with China going on, over British Overseas passport holders in Hong Kong. The Royal Navy is going to be busy methinks, chasing Irish fishermen away from Rockall and patrolling the South China Sea.

And they have lost their friend in the White House. I would say, dear oh dear, but this shit show will affect us all.

@Arborea also trust RTÉ reporting of this. Commission has fucked up badly. And handed UK government a gift. And also the wretched DUP. Going to have a job on its hands building trust back in Ireland.

[quote Arborea]Tony Connolly reporting Article 16 has not been triggered and probably won't be. Tbh I trust him over the BBC twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355257712335089667[/quote]
I rely on kind people on these threads to tell me what Article 16 is and what it is for. I doubt the BBC have ever bothered to find out, given they haven’t seemed inclined to find out much about the nuts and bolts of Brexit at any particular time in the last four years.
Radio 4 occasionally encouraged listeners to write in with Brexit questions. The experts who responded were engaging and knowledgeable but I always got the impression that they wouldn’t have known themselves had someone not asked, they had looked it up and found the answer interesting and a bit surprising.

@ListeningQuietly that sounds so tough