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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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TheABC · 17/01/2021 17:28

Perhaps we all need to take a fishy lesson and start disregardibg borders, just like the fish (and lead Brexiteers) seem to do?

The nomadic lifestyle is looking very attractive, right now.

prettybird · 17/01/2021 17:33

We're definitely living in FUKD. Sad

With a fair wind, that will sooner rather than later consist of just England and Wales.

And as had been mentioned, I suspect that the Welsh independence movement may get a boost too. My best friend who lives in Wales, married to a Welshman and who always poured scorn on Plaid Cymru and the "separatists" is now saying that maybe they have a point.... (and as a part Scot albeit brought up in England has completely changed her view on whether Scotland should be independent).

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 17:35

To be fair, you've been conspicuously silent about those leave-voting fishing businesses that are also going to the wall.

I've linked to several articles on fish - a recent one blaming the SNP for deliberately dragging their heels and failing to prepare + computer problems in France.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 17:44

You know when someone says that the experience they have explained in great technical detail, which is backed up by others and by expects is dismissed because they have the wrong fucking icon, it just about sums up the entire fucking mess and why we are so fucking fucked.

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 17:58

@RedToothBrush

You know when someone says that the experience they have explained in great technical detail, which is backed up by others and by expects is dismissed because they have the wrong fucking icon, it just about sums up the entire fucking mess and why we are so fucking fucked.
Brian Cox tweeted a while back how disheartening is must be to have studied years as a scientist, only to realise that @barry1234s opinion is just as valid as yours.
Jason118 · 17/01/2021 17:58

I wonder what @RedToothBrush word of the day is?

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 17:59

You know when someone says that the experience they have explained in great technical detail, which is backed up by others and by expects is dismissed because they have the wrong fucking icon

It seems very premature to announce you are leaving the country after 2 weeks of trying to implement a new system - he must have made the decision already.

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 18:03

So, he's already decided to leave the country next year? I assume he is half French - Lambert?

Going to come back to this, because the dog whistling is really loud here.

The implication is that Mr Lambert isn't sufficiently committed to Brexit and that his thread is some sort of Gallic plot to sabotage his own business in a bid to bring down the plucky Brits.

(Even though a number of trade experts have shared and commented on his thread and praised his grasp of the issues.)

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 18:08

So, he's already decided to leave the country next year? I assume he is half French - Lambert?

That's quite a leap. "Not quite British enough" eh ? You are Priti Patel. And I claim my five guineas.

Jason118 · 17/01/2021 18:09

Yep, he should wait at least 50 years before leaving, quitter.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 18:10

The implication is that Mr Lambert isn't sufficiently committed to Brexit and that his thread is some sort of Gallic plot to sabotage his own business

Clearly he's not going to sabotage his own business - he may want to sell it as a going concern.

Even though a number of trade experts have shared and commented on his thread and praised his grasp of the issues.

They did point out that he could have used a broker with experience of the system.

Jason118 · 17/01/2021 18:11

Yes and brokers are really free aren't they, ten a penny.

Jason118 · 17/01/2021 18:12

Just musing if clav has a collection of spades or just uses the same one.

HesterThrale · 17/01/2021 18:17

Whenever I hear the phrase ‘teething troubles’, I feel a hard and hollow laugh coming on.

Words · 17/01/2021 18:21

Spot the tactical errors in the following:

In October, as I am now wfh full time, I ordered an expensive desk from a niche, London-based supplier. Delivery stated to be by 14 December, so spent some time and money converting a bedroom to a study.

It's coming by sea. Apparently it docked once at Southampton between Christmas and New Year. It was then sent back to Dunkirk.

Now expected 'any day'.

I am teetering on the brink of cancellation but I genuinely feel sorry for the guy whose company it is, trying to sort out this utterly predictable and chaotic situation.

Maybe LQ could advise on any interesting customs dilemmas my desk might be causing. Confused

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 18:22

That's quite a leap.

Lambert is my second cousin's (if that is correct?) married name (grandmother's sister's daughter) - she's French as well. Christopher Lambert the actor - Tarzan/Highlander.

Chersfrozenface · 17/01/2021 18:23

I imagine Mr Lambert hoped to be able to navigate the system himself rather than having to pay a broker - in its advice section Sage, the business software firm, quotes one firm charging £45 per customs entry (that's in addition to the sums already due). Also, he'd had to find a broker available to do the work.

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 18:25

@Clavinova

To be fair, you've been conspicuously silent about those leave-voting fishing businesses that are also going to the wall.

I've linked to several articles on fish - a recent one blaming the SNP for deliberately dragging their heels and failing to prepare + computer problems in France.

Cornish fisherman are fucked by red tape too - can you blame the SNP / Holyrood for that as well?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/08/brexit-red-tape-leaves-fish-rotting-cornish-boats/

TonMoulin · 17/01/2021 18:27

@Clavinova

The implication is that Mr Lambert isn't sufficiently committed to Brexit and that his thread is some sort of Gallic plot to sabotage his own business

Clearly he's not going to sabotage his own business - he may want to sell it as a going concern.

Even though a number of trade experts have shared and commented on his thread and praised his grasp of the issues.

They did point out that he could have used a broker with experience of the system.

But why should have to use a broker?

As a self employed person, I can use an accountant to file my taxes or I can file them myself. There is no need for me to have an accountant (unless I was earning more than a certain amount, needing to start using VAT etc...)

So should it be different for importers? Why would the government make it so hard to do that sort of work that they have to use a broker??

FWIW, using a broker probably wouldn’t have helped as there is a bug in the system anyway....

borntobequiet · 17/01/2021 18:28

I assume he is half French - Lambert?

What a faux pas to be half French. Disgraceful. Shouldn’t be allowed to run a wine importing business in good old Blighty. A nice sparking English wine is all you need

prettybird · 17/01/2021 18:32

It's part of the Brexit Dividend according to 🐙 Gove: all these new people who have to be employed to cope with customs and red tape HmmConfused

Chersfrozenface · 17/01/2021 18:38

@Clavinova

That's quite a leap.

Lambert is my second cousin's (if that is correct?) married name (grandmother's sister's daughter) - she's French as well. Christopher Lambert the actor - Tarzan/Highlander.

Mr Lambert, however, was educated in Surrey (per LinkedIn).

Lambert as a surname can be either Anglo-Norman, so going back almost 1,000 years in England, or sometimes derives from the very Anglo-Saxon 'lamb-herd' (per Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames).

Evidently the wine merchant can claim citizenship of an EU country from some relative, though not necessarily from the Lambert branch of his family.

And of course he has an EU icon - the UK's membership of the EU's single market was the main basis of his livelihood for 29 years.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 18:38

Cornish fisherman are fucked by red tape too - can you blame the SNP / Holyrood for that as well?

Have things improved since the 8th Jan? One problem may have been sorted;

the main border control point in France, Boulogne-sur-Mer, was experiencing computer problems, meaning some imports had to enter France elsewhere.

Although we still have the Covid tests as well of course.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 18:44

Chersfrozenface

My post has been deleted but I got my info from RedToothBrush's c&p.

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 18:53

@Clavinova

Cornish fisherman are fucked by red tape too - can you blame the SNP / Holyrood for that as well?

Have things improved since the 8th Jan? One problem may have been sorted;

the main border control point in France, Boulogne-sur-Mer, was experiencing computer problems, meaning some imports had to enter France elsewhere.

Although we still have the Covid tests as well of course.

Well since the issue for Cornish fishermen (as with Scottish fishermen) is with the number of forms now having to be completed and getting the health checks done and all the time takes ... then no.

It’s not the fault of the French either.